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[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

you know, i tell you what. i'm fed up with all this gringo self-righteousness when you talk about "oh communism was bad, oh people where killed, oh people had no food, oh people had no liberty, oh people could not buy ataris, oh our countries are so democratic". your countries were democratic during the cold war in the first place because you had people to sort things out for you here in the global south. for each person complaining about how the food rations in eastern europe were not tasty enough, there were 10 dying of hunger or malnourishment here in the global south. for every person complaining they had to wait 5 years in a queue to buy a trabant or an oka, there were 10 who got no school in a range of 50 km. for every person complaining that their 8 hour shifts in state owned factories were overwhelming, there were 10 who were indentured workers. for every person complaining about how the stasi, kgb or the stb had bugged their apartment, there were 10 suffering the most horrific tortures inside black sites of the military of u.s. allies here in the "third world". for every person complaining about dull standard apartment blocks in mikrorayons, there were 10 who lived in mud shacks and slums, and those are just who were lucky enough to have a roof over their heads. finally, for everyone complaining about chinese sweatshops, which are indeed a problem, there are 10 americans who work and yet cannot afford proper housing.

you wanna complain about how communism was bad? go ahead. you wanna complain how your parents lived under communism and could not drink coke? do so if you wish. but there are still millions of people down here who would give an arm and a leg to have a polish ration, an apartment in a russian gray building, or a yugoslav job. and while the chinese maoist red guard was bad, surely it won't be an inch closer to the harassement people endured on a daily basis by our police forces.

again: you wanna complain? be my guest. but for me that's an encyclopedic example of white privilege.

[–] nargis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

This, so much this. Having a job and a roof over your head is such a luxury in the 'global south', the true face of capitalism

[–] galanthus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would you not compare european communist countries woth european capitalist countries? Sure, africans and asians were poorer, but that goes without saying, honestly, what does that even have to do with this matter?

East Germany was poorer than west Germany. That tells us something. The fact that Ethiopia or whatever was poorer does not really tell us much about ehich economic system is better.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

West Germany had almost all of the industry of Germany, and East Germany was made to pay harsh reparations for the immense devastation the Nazis wrought upon the Soviet people and countries. Moreover, West Germany was never de-Nazified, and the US and Western Countries heavily invested into its development as a means to destabilize the relations with the East, even threatening to put NATO nukes in West Germany.

[–] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn’t matter what ideology. If the people running it are rotten, any system can be corrupted.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So then the solution is to decentralize so everyone is running it.

[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

And have a way for it to be trustless as well

[–] Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Communism by any other name would smell as sweet

A co-operative ?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Communism is more about centralization, Anarchism is the one about decentralization as a rule.

[–] Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The difference between communism and anarchism isn't the aims, but whether the state could immediately be abolished or that there must be a transitional period.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Anarchists don't want a fully publicly owned and planned global republic, Marxists do. Anarchists want networks of decentralized communes, Marxists do not.

The "state" for Marxists is the oppressive elements of society that make up class distinctions, such as private property rights and the current police structure, whereas for Anarchists its usually seen as a form of hierarchy entrenched with violence.

Chiefly, a decentralized network of communed does not get rid of class, but entrenches petite bourgeois class structures where each commune owns only what is within its commune, whereas Marxists want to abolish class by making all property equally owned by all in a highly developed and complex economy.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

And likewise, oligarchy calling itself communism smells just as rancid.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's simple: teach everyone to make everything they need for themselves, so they can't be expoited

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sure bro lemme teach my aunt to make her insulin, her own needles, her own glucose test strips and all that cheers

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe we should all specialize, and pay each other with our own goods, or better yet, a sort of representation of goods we all agree is valuable, so you can get one persons goods with anothers.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kinda seems unfair that somebody's aunt should have to purchase insulin she needs to survive, like she shouldn't have to work harder to have the same lifestyle as someone without a disability. Maybe we should just give her the insulin she needs to survive, and compensate the people who make it out of some sort of common pool of resources everyone is required to contribute to, in order to distribute the costs more fairly.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I was younger, I tried to design an universal constructor.

Unfortunatelly, I was using Roblox studio to do this.

How's that for insanity?

I also carved a log with a knife, hacking off pieces in an attempt to make a 3D printer

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

It's not insane! 3D printing is making huge strides. You were just a little ahead of your time.

If we can run Doom on 16 billion crabs, then you can carve a 3D printer.

[–] missandry351@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When people ask me what communist country was successful I usually say all of them until cia decided to go there and spread freedom 🇺🇸🦅

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well... There was this thing called Soviet Union. They decided to try to speed up the transition to communism by using repression and violence. And ended up being a totalitarian state, a direct opposite of what a communist state is supposed to be like.

Of course you can argue that Soviet Union was not communist, it was just a state that had chosen to call itself communist for propaganda reasons... But still, Soviet Union is an example of a communist country that was unsuccessful as a communist project already by itself. Then came outsiders and helped make it even worse, but bad doesn't become good by some people wanting it to be even worse. Burma is another example. I'd say they hacked away their own leg before anyone else, such as CIA, had time to interfere in their business.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

The USSR had to deal with a civil war, rising up during WWI and being sabotaged by the Germans, more civil war, foreign meddling, and all while being the first successful communist revolution. Yet they still managed to raise literacy, raise health outcomes, raise average life expectancy, gender equality, science and technology, end the cycle of famines (after the first one or two they had when they were still building up), had faster growth during that period than any capitalist country (except maybe the US, which was doing imperialism at the time and the biggest hegemon), all while helping sustain other socialist countries, like Cuba, Venezuela, or North Korea.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The USSR didn't "do repression and violence to speed up Communism," they had a successful revolution and established Socialism. By all accounts it was quite successful overall, but we can learn from where they erred and adapt for the future.

The only ones who believe the Soviet Union wasn't Socialist are generally Western Trots or liberals/Anarchists who already don't want the form of society Marxists want, which is a government that publicly owns its large and key industries and gradually folds in the new firms that grow to that level until the entire economy is publicly owned.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you never heard of bolševiks and menševiks? What you're explaining is what menševiks wanted, but what happened was what bolševiks aimed for.

And that was inhumane horror.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Least smug shitlib

[–] BugBu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

09/11 Chile vibes

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Luckily the US is dismantling the CIA so that’s good news for communism!!!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seeing some of the zingers in the comments here, now seems like a great time to plug my "Read Theory, Darn it!" introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list. Read up, comrades!

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The struggle depicted perfectly lol

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like this version better, thx.

Anytime anyone whines about "commies / tankies", they're entirely complicit with these mass killings.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't know how your get one from the other. I can think that state socialist experiments were flawed, misguided, and ultimately destined for autocracy, and still think that targeting them with imperialist intervention is wrong.

Just because the US empire is evil doesn't make everyone opposing them good. The world is not black and white.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Who's the one telling you that the USSR, Cuba, China, Venezuela or Vietnam are/were autocracies?

If you actually investigate countries that have substantive / economic democracy, which goes far beyond the liberal equality before the law, you'll find them to be far more democratic than the countries accusing them of being autocracies.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

The US Empire being incredibly evil and predatory towards anyone daring to exert domestic control over their economies and even their own allies does paint a better picture for AES states. It doesn't make them automatically good, but it starts them off on the right foot.

Then you can analyze how AES states have brought immense democratizations of the economy, massive expansions in key quality of life metrics like education, literacy, life expectancy, Home Ownership, and more, while expanding worker rights and supporting the Global South against the Imperialist countries, it's hard to see AES as "bad."

There are genuine critiques of AES countries, but I wouldn't call them "autocratic," considering they are generally more democratic than western countries, and moreover the needs of the people are better met. For example, people in China believe the government represents their interests at rates surpassing 90%, and more Chinese workers believe they have democratic control than USian workers.

All of these considerations need to be taken into account, and the fact that these AES states have been treated with the harshest of violence from the US Empire means they are deserving of support for their own existence.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And it often comes into being because of a CIA financed coup

It's like the chicken or the egg question.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

When has the CIA ever financed a communist coup?

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am a communist by heart, but I know that social market economy is the way to go, at least for now.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Kinda? China has a Socialist Market Economy, and this is building up the productive forces dramatically, but not every country will work the same way or have the same path.