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The Privacy Iceberg

This is original content. AI was not used anywhere except for the bottom right image, simply because I could not find one similar enough to what I needed. This took around 6 hours to make.

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The background is an iceberg with 6 levels, denoting 6 different levels of privacy.

The tip of the iceberg is titled "The Brainwashed" with a quote beside it that says "I have nothing to hide". The logos depicted in this section are:

The surface section of the iceberg is titled "As seen on TV" with a quote beside it that says "This video is sponsored by...". The logos depicted in this section are:

An underwater section of the iceberg is titled "The Beginner" with a quote beside it that says "I don't like hackers and spying". The logos depicted in this section are:

A lower section of the iceberg is titled "The Privacy Enthusiast" with a quote beside it that says "I have nothing I want to show". The logos depicted in this section are:

An even lower section of the iceberg is titled "The Privacy Activist" with a quote beside it that says "Privacy is a human right". The logos depicted in this section are:

The lowest portion of the iceberg is titled "The Ghost". There is a quote beside it that has been intentionally redacted. The images depicted in this section are:

  • A cancel sign over a mobile phone, symbolizing "no electronics"
  • An illustration of a log cabin, symbolizing "living in a log cabin in the woods"
  • A picture of gold bars, symbolizing "paying only in gold"
  • A picture of a death certificate, symbolizing "faking your own death"
  • An AI generated picture of a person wearing a black hoodie, a baseball cap, a face mask, and reflective sunglasses, symbolizing "hiding ones identity in public"

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[–] airikr@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

I am apparently the privacy activist (not using Monero, SimpleX Chat, Degoogled Chromium, or Keypass, though). I do use uBlock Origin (Gecko ffs!) and Bitwarden (self-hosted Vaultwarden). Unfortunately, I am using Telegram, but trying to move all my contacts to my own Snikket server. It's a very slow process.

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 110 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Funny how you need more and more technical knowledge to go deeper into privacy, until the last level, which is basically giving up on technology itself.

[–] wolfinthewoods@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The last level is living in a cabin in the woods and writing manifestos about industrial society and the ills of technology O_o

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[–] candyman337@lemmy.world 70 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It's genuinely wild that Firefox and LibreWolf are nowhere on these

[–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Probably because people above the waterline don't know Mozilla exists, and people below have seen how things have been going lately.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)
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[–] civilcoder@lemm.ee 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Kudos for inclusive alt texting!!

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 50 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I don't like hackers and spying

brave

lol. lmao, even.

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 days ago

A beginner will choose what seems private, regardless of whether or not it actually is.

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[–] sharps9@lemmy.world 59 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

ExpressVPN is an arm of Israeli intelligence and should be on the tip of the iceberg: https://www.reuters.com/technology/expressvpn-employees-complain-about-ex-spys-top-role-company-2021-09-23/

All users should cancel their accounts immediately.

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 44 points 6 days ago

"As seen on TV" does not imply privacy, it just implies a large advertising budget. These are software that market themselves as private (and are sometimes better than nothing at all) but may still be just as bad as software on the tip of the iceberg.

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[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Just tell the normie that you have nothing to say if you have nothing to hide. Also, why there's no F-Droid?

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

I got the impression most people do indeed have nothing to say or think they do. So this analogy irks me, unlike the more universal "curtains on windows/doors in bathroom".

[–] wasabi@feddit.org 59 points 6 days ago (8 children)

I have no clue why telegram is often mentioned when it comes to "privacy focused messaging". They don't even have e2e encrypted group chats. Only 1:1 chats may be encrypted as an opt-in. Even WhatsApp is more secure than that, since they use signals encryption.

Also the "we don't give out even a byte of data to anyone" statements made by telegram have been thoroughly debunked as lies. When telegrams bottom line is in danger, they have and will give out your data.

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[–] mycamgirl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't put Telegram at that level. I would put it in "The Brainwashed." Its encryption is disabled by default. You need to manually enable it on each chat, and you can't enable it on group chats. The app gives a false sense of privacy. Telegram flaunts its end-to-end encryption, but it never mentions that it is disabled by default, and it refuses to enable the default. The final result is that people are not using the feature.

A cryptographer and professor wrote a good piece about Telegram's encryption, calling it "unusual" and the "non-standard authenticated encryption mode ever invented": Is Telegram really an encrypted messaging app?

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

Where I am, Telegram's pretty much the primary social media in addition to the primary messenger. While I could avoid Whatsapp (which would've been harder if I were older), I still would've had a very hard time if I deleted Telegram.

[–] neuroneiro@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago

Was going to say links or it never happened but you provided them! And categorized by level! Excelsior!

Thanks also to the comments giving more information.

So grateful for this platform. For the most part.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago

Apple: “Brainwashed”

iMessage: “Beginner”

Well which one is it?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago (3 children)
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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 28 points 6 days ago (12 children)
[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 6 days ago

That's how amnesiac it is.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

I give workshops on privacy. I always tell them that if they get nothing else out of my presentation, its that they should use a password manager.

Honestly I think keepass should be beginner. That comes first before everything else.

Also I think Tor Browser should come before VPNs. Its free and easier to use than VPNs (for when you want to google something secret and don't want to be tracked. Most beginners are selective like that)

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[–] moseschrute@lemmy.ml 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

Weird how Apple and iMessage are not in the same category. How do district apple’s privacy claims but trust iMessage?

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[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Any Chromium-based browser in anything but the top-most panel is a non-starter with their abandonment of Manifest v2. Manifest v3 seriously cripples any Chromium-based browser’s ability to be secure, as extensions like uBlock Origin are no longer compatible by design.

Google has it’s ad business to protect, after all.

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[–] Corduroy_Pillows_Making_Headlines@hexbear.net 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I love this! May I share on my blog and with my newsletter subscribers at Punching Up Press? We're probably in boxes #2 and #3, with a lot of readers starting off in box #1.

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