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Big Ben gets in. 2 SB rings and a franchise QB for like 16 years.
Matt Ryan would’ve gotten in if he had that SB.
Phillip Rivers is a no.
You forget Eli Manning. Who has two rings against the GOAT and an undefeated team as underdogs. Wasn’t great, but super clutch in the playoffs and SB.
Ryan and Rivera have no shot.
Ben gets in for sure.
sorry but rivers and ryan don't belong in the hall of fame imo. big ben absolutely does. you should need to make an actual impact on the NFL to be there. ryan didn't do enough notable things and rivers was...good? he should get employee of the month for how reliable he was in terms of attending games but i cant recall any great plays of his. Ben won 2 super bowls and was the face of his franchise. He's a tier above the other 2 and to me thats just plain obvious
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I would also like to say Eli Manning should be in this same conversation. 2 SB MVPs and a long career as a starter definitely puts him on the same level as these guys. Not saying he should be in but I feel he is being left out here
Matty Ice was the MVP of the league. He should be in.....
Never considered Ryan for HOF. Maybe I'm missing something. Long career which pads stats and a good 1st half in a super bowl isn't HOF worthy. I'm an Eli fan and his SB performance is all time good, but not enough for HOF. Ben could make it.
If it was up to me, None of these guys should make it. No SBs for Ryan and Rivers, and the Steelers have played the ugliest football in the league the past 20 years. Out of the three I like Rivers the most but he has the lowest chance of getting in. Realistically, Ryan is 50/50 and Big Ben is definitely getting in with the on-paper results
Big Ben was getting in regardless, so that shouldn’t even be a discussion. Matt Ryan on the other hand is a different story IMO 🤷🏽♂️
Eli Manning should not be a HOFer based on his horrendous consistencyl and win/loss record as QB, but unfortunately because of name, media presence, and iron man quality he's going to get in. But on pure talent he's not a HOFer.
In an era when the Patriots consistently lapped the field, the Steelers were the next-most successful team for most of Roethlisberger's career. Matty Ice's most memorable career moment is the meme of all memes. Philip Rivers spent his entire career accumulating B+ stats and achieving nothing whatsoever of note.
Ryan has a reputation for blowing leads imo. Not just SB51 and 33-0, I swear the falcons had at least 10 games where they were 95+% likely to win and still lost under Ryan.
They just need to be more strict. Big Ben as 2 rings and a ton of winning seasons, he’s in. Ryan and Rivers are not in. They were just good QBs for a while.
I thought Big Ben was a no brainer. Pivotal part of 2 SB's. Ryan and Rivers were good but not HOF worthy. It's ok that not every good QB get's into the hall.
Ben and Philip are in.
Would just be fun to see Rivers win is to his 23532634r children, their spouses and their 235283u45234 children could fill the stadium. :)
He’d be so dadgum proud!
Matt Ryan nor Stafford should get in. I never saw them as some of the greatest QBs ever if our time.
Eli should not get in but he is only getting in off his name , and winning 2 rings vs peak brady in epic fashion.
Rivers should get in but he won’t because he doesn’t have a ring but he actually was one of the best QBs ever.
If they had started and finished their careers 10 years earlier with the same stats , it’d be a yes but we’re in a different era now guys you gotta factor that in.
Eli Manning is making it before Rivers and Ryan that’s for sure.
Completely agree. No one cares about Philip Rivers and his big regular season numbers. Matt Ryan is a joke. Sorry but an MVP season and a Super Bowl epic fail. Isn't it.
Eli on the other hand -- ultra clutch, 2 bowls against Darth Vader, played in NYC, and he's still relevant and funny.
It's the hall of fame not the hall of stats. Eli 100% before either of these guys. Matt Ryan give me a break.
QB HOF status needs to be disconnected from how many superbowls they've won. No other position is tied to it and frankly some QBs that are in the HOF because of it were in part carried there by their team.
No other position in any sport is an important to a team’s success as quarterback. Super Bowl wins should absolutely be considered. It would be absurd not to.
Whichever position the superstar is in basketball is more important because you play both offense and defense and are 1 of 5 rather than 1 of 11.
That’s false. The quarterback touches the ball on every play, and everything starts with him. It’s so much more important than any other position in sports. In a basketball game (you didn’t even name an actual position), a particular player might not even touch the ball every time down the court. It’s easier to neutralize a basketball player with double teams than it is to completely take a QB out of the game and make him a non-factor, which is impossible. Because again, everything starts with the QB, and everything flows through him. There is no position in any other sport that is remotely close to as important as quarterback.
I think Ryan and Rivers are probably the new line.
I could see that SB loss and MVP pushing Ryan in and keeping Rivers out.
But I think yards and TDs are going to be a watered down state for QBs.
I think the stats outlook will shift to high leverage stats, awards, and titles.
Retired QBs: Brady, Brees, Big Ben
HoF maybes: Eli, Rivers, Ryan
Active players: Ayahuasca man and that 28-year-old dude in KC.
Canton is usually lenient with QBs.
Be a season MVP or have rings, and it helps to have some SB MVPs too.
Brady had both (3/7/5)
Brees (0/1/1)
Big Ben (0/2/0)
Eli (0/2/2)
Ryan (1/0/0, should have been 1/1, goddamnit)
Rodgers (4/1/1)
Mahomes (2/2/2)
PR17 has been a statistical anomaly. Maybe in 10 years, he'll make it.
But they gotta induct first those who are eligible and worthy but haven't been inducted for some reason.
The NFL HOF will always suffer because its annual requirement for a minimum number of inductees opens the door to the good versus the great. There are years MLB has zero new members, and I'm just fine with that.
I personally think Big Ben is a lock; 2004 Rookie of the year and the youngest QB to win the Superbowl, he virtually owns all of the Pittsburgh Steelers franchise passing records. He's 3rd all-time in 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives, he's got 3 AFC championship trophies, and won 2 Superbowls. The Steelers never suffered a losing season with him under centre, and before the Mahomes craze, Big Bens brand of backyard football lit up highlight reels. Yes, he never had any MVP's or double digit pro bowl appearances, but when it came to winning games Big Ben was special, and I think the voters will see it that way.
Matt Ryan gets in eventually i think. MVP, SB appearance, 2 NFC championship games, all-pro, OROY plus 14 years in 1 place.
Rivers has none of that except longevity so I don’t think he does.
Eli belongs in this discussion. One of only five players ever to win multiple Super Bowl MVPs. Also has the raw numbers and one of the longest starting streaks ever
Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Big Ben are all pretty much locks in my opinion. Quarterbacks with two Super Bowls pretty much always make it in. Eli Manning will probably get in as well.
Rivers is a maybe. And Ryan is a no.
Big ben is most likely id say highly likely i think rivers is questionable and matt ryan not likely imo
Matt Ryan is the Hall of fame line.
If you had a career better than Matt Ryan you are a Hall of famer
If you had a caree worse than Matt Ryan you are not a Hall of Famer
Matt Ryan is in the same group of guys like Boomers Eaison, Donovan McNabb, Rich Gannon, Randall Cunningham. Great QBs who were just on the Precipice of Hall of Fame but not quite there
Although I do think it's possible they may get in a senior committee hall of fame.