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I will forever be on the boat that Brady made Belichick, not the other way around.

Tom Brady

He strikes me as a guy who explains to his employees how to do their job, and nothing more.

Because of Tom Brady. Tom Brady was always the cog that kept the machine running.

Without him? Well, we've seen the results.

You can be an asshole as long as you're winning. When you stop winning, you're just an asshole.

Belichick is, famously, an asshole. But, he also has six Super Bowl rings and is a no-brainer Hall of Famer. However, he also lucked into maybe the greatest quarterback ever for literally every one of those SBs. Consequently, it's not surprising he can't replicate the same level of success post-Brady.

You look at guys like McDaniels, Patricia, BOB, etc. and it becomes obvious why his coaching tree is gnarly. Those guys are trying to impersonate Belichick without Belichick's track record of success, or the tools that built that track record.

If I were an owner looking to hire a coach, the last guy I would hire would be one from Belichick's coaching tree. It's not that his guys are bad coaches. I mean, they are, but there are plenty of bad coaches out there. It's that they're universally assholes.

None of them had Tom Brady. And he no longer does as well -- and has teams that look like his coaching tree teams.

Isn't everyone bored of this yet? lol

They weren't allowed to take Tom Brady with them.

I mean it’s pretty simple really. None of BBs coordinators took Tom with them.

Because he and his merry band of fat fucks are shite coaches who’s inability to manage games was hidden by Tom Brady.

"Imperect Fruit" is a strange way of saying "Failure"

Tom Brady

Imperfect is a nice way of putting it

When the root of the tree looks suspect itself without the GOAT at QB, it only makes sense that the branches of the tree are mostly frauds. Patricia and McDaniels in particular were just assholes who didn’t know how to work with others.

Its rotten fruit. People pay extra for imperfect fruit.

Because other teams don’t have the best qb of all time

No Tom Brady.

Although you’d think a defensive coordinator would be decent working under BB.

By no mean do I actually know, but my head cannon has always been he dosent actually let these guys call shots lol.

I mean look at the people who have recently came from the patriots. They aren’t just bad coaches they are utterly incompetent.

In all seriousness you could put a HS coach in McDaniel s shoes an he would coach the raiders to more wins atp in the season.

An so no one will ever change my mind, Bill hires these guys because they’re not good. In his mind he dosent really need them, why bring in someone who’s gonna voice an opinion against yours when you can bring in Duds like Patricia an McDaniels an have 100% control over your team.

It helps cause if something goes wrong, it’s why would Patricia do that. But when it goes right Belicheck is their for the praise.

But that’s just my opinion.

Tom Brady is WAAAAAY better than most people even think he is. He elevated everything, made other things look good, made up for mistakes etc.

Because he’s not in the business of trying to make his coaches Head Coaches elsewhere. He’s trying to win football games. You can argue that part of that is trying to help his coaches improve. But he has coaches in certain roles and only wants them filling that role. Plus the guys that left to be HCs elsewhere all try to be him instead of themselves. Instead of taking bits and pieces of what they learn from him and including it into how they run their teams, they’re trying to do exactly what he does. And it doesn’t work because they aren’t him. They haven’t garnered the respect because they didn’t have his accomplishments. It works for him because he achieved so much in his career. They try to be carbon copies of him without the accomplishments. I’m hoping Mayo sees that and tries to do things his own way while incorporating some of the things he learned from BB instead of just doing things the way BB does. I think he’s smart enough to know that but we’ll see.

Because they didn’t have Tom Brady

BOB and Brian Flores had pretty good tenures and are overall great coaches

imperfect fruit

That’s an interesting way to spell rotten

Because they embody the worst traits of Bill (hubris, alienating certain players, treating them like chess pieces), without any of the positives (some really great gameplans, and actually having decent interpersonal skills), and without also having the best QB ever (who also had GOAT level leadership and intangibles) to cover it up any flaws and get the team to buy in.

And even then, Bill has started to look like his assistants without Tom as well.

I'm not saying Belichick is horrible coach or anything but it really shows you how important having the right QB is.

they get hired by people who have spent their whole lives just covering their own ass. "don't blame me, he worked with BB." they don't look at the details when they can just drag that old line out. it's just the same old bullshit corporate mentality

his style is antiquated and Brady made him

Why does everybody off his coaching tree have awful interpersonal skills? They beef with players,media,and front offices.

Gonna go on a limb and say Tom Brady might’ve been a factor lol

Reality is most coaches fail.

In Belichick tree it seems the coaches are often arrogant. Not sure they realize the Patriots way culture was a unique special circumstance that can’t be reproduced.

Dominique Foxworths podcast did a good job talking about it. You need a low round QB who starts a game manager. An underdog team that wins big which gels them together. Then that QB needs to become best ever while keeping the team attitude going.

The assistant coaches all seem to think they are the system and not that they are a product of the system.

Cause Tom Brady made them

Because bill was carried by Tom for the last 20 years.

None had Brady. ez

I think Tom Brady was the brains of the org

I don't think there is one reason or one flaw that all caused all these guys to fail/wash out as HCs. I think Belichick has a system that works and teams want to copy it but when they hire these coaches they want to run their own system with their own ideas, and they just haven't been successful. I don't like Belichick at all but I don't think it reflects poorly on him.

Because brady covered for all of them.

Bill had Tom Brady for 20 years. Without him his track record is on par with the rest of his coaching tree

part of what makes him great is a lifetime dedicated to football. he cant teach a lifetime of reviewing tape and 50+ years of knowledge to the young guys.

Just find another Tom Brady.

/s

The youtube channel Set the Edge had a great video on this question

The only thing I might add to the discussion in defense of Hoodie disciples is that teams can be awfully quick to fire a Belichick disciple if he doesn’t start winning relatively quickly like Belichick did in New England.

That desire to fire Belichick disciples frequently glosses over the fact that BB had a hand in building the team with Parcells that he inherited from Pete Carroll. The successful team that BB likely built in Cleveland before it left for Baltimore seems to suggest that NFL teams might benefit from being patient with some of BB’s disciples

Bill Belichick is the classic dictators trap. Only hire underlings that are incompetent. That way none of them are smart enough to form a coup and oust him.

BB coaching style was only successful bc he had a HOF qb who super driven and willing to be coached like that from the jump, since he was a late round pick with no hype. His coaches leave and try to be a the mean dick Bill is, but there’s no culture of this already and they don’t have the history of success where ppl are going to buy into this method. Patriot way works only for the Patriots bc of what Bill and Brady did. It’s failing now in NE not so much of the coaching style, but bc Bill is a lousy GM

Bill has a rare combination of bottomless football knowledge (defensively, at least) and a personality that is actually endearing to most players.

Pretty much all of Bill’s underlings have been uninspiring personalities without Bill’s depth of knowledge.

Turns out being an asshole coattail rider isn't conducive to being a head coach

A Poison Tree

I was angry with my friend;

I told my wrath, my wrath did end.

I was angry with my foe:

I told it not, my wrath did grow.

And I waterd it in fears,

Night & morning with my tears:

And I sunned it with smiles,

And with soft deceitful wiles.

And it grew both day and night.

Till it bore an apple bright.

And my foe beheld it shine,

And he knew that it was mine.

And into my garden stole,

When the night had veild the pole;

In the morning glad I see;

My foe outstretched beneath the tree.

-William Blake

It seems the issue the article is trying to highlight is that BB’s assistants are too micromanaged to learn how to be a good coach because BB lives and breathes football (Why Tom Brady thrived in the patriots?). BB may just be that good and can be the only person who’s had success with this style of coaching. Also why would he change if having a coaching tree is more something to worry about legacy wise than game to game or season to season? Just get the guys who you’ll know will do their job and win games.

Given the last three years, is this even a serious question?

They still cheat. No Tom Brady. Doesn’t bode well when you don’t have the aforementioned on your new team

Brady was his maker. Nothing more nothing less

The BB style is alienating. It requires a certain level of football genius to get away with.

Because none of them chumps had Brady ☠️