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The overarching goal of communism is for laborers to own the means of production instead of an owning/capitalist class. Employee owned businesses are the realization of communism within a capitalist society.

It seems to me that most communist organizations in capitalist societies focus on reform through government policies. I have not heard of organizations focusing on making this change by leveraging the capitalist framework. Working to create many employee owned businesses would be a tangible way to achieve this on a small but growing scale. If successful employee owned businesses are formed and accumulate capital they should be able to perpetuate employee ownership through direct acquisition or providing venture capital with employee ownership requirements.

So my main questions are:

  1. Are organizations focusing on this and I just don't know about it?
  2. If not, what obstacles are there that would hinder this approach to increasing the share labor collective ownership?
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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (10 children)

You’re proposing socialism.

Communism wants central authority.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Imagine believing you can defeat capitalism without central authority.

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Imagine not recognizing that central authority is the problem.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 1 week ago (10 children)

You know how a certain faction in the USA keeps screaming about "states rights?”

In my view, central and decentralized authority have their issues. And here come the down votes. The way the Russian voting system was explained to me by the good people of .ml makes a lot of sense and circumvents the worst issues of both.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Thats so funny because you have it completely backwards. Communism, the end goal, is a moneyless, classless, stateless society in which hierarchy has ceased to exist. State socialism or "the dictatorship of the proletariat" is a interim step on the path to communism that aims to eliminate class and the social structures that perpetuate it.

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[–] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Therefore, socialism should be the ultimate aim.

[–] cattywampas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I truly believe a mixed economy is the answer.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Socio democracy and I'm onboard.

Edit: all socialist & communist dictatorship losers can go live in North Korea IMO. Read a history book ffs.

Edit2: my fault, I didn't see I was on .ml Tank on tankies.

[–] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Socialism IS democratic production, thus the political systems can reflect as such. Maybe more regional control, as I'm led to understand the Swiss cantons function like. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

Join the IWW.

[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

In terms of communism, as dreamt up by Marx and Engels, you can only turn a completely capitalist economy into a communist one. This has never been achieved, shortcuts have been taken. All communist states in existence have either turned authoritarian or to dust. So in my view, there aren't many communist movements left in the world. They may use the word but either M&E wouldn't like them or they don't really have a lot of support behind them. No support, no money. Capitalists have a lot of money. People with a lot of money tend to have the ear of their leaders. If an investor is interested it'll be real hard to go for an employee-owned model (excluding models with free publicly traded shares). If investors are not interested, the business may be failing and employee ownership is the last hurrah before the end. Capitalism tends to come up on top.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago
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