This was EXTREMELY INAPPROPRIATE! Doesn't he KNOW that you're ONLY supposed to ask CHILDREN about Their Genitals? What a PERVERT!
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God damned leftist groomers at it again. Won’t anyone think of the children’s genitals?!
I love this. This is a really good, simple, impactful strategy.
The GOP is just a bad debater.
My immediate thought was to say something like "That question proves my point! We have no way of knowing who is or isn't trans without careful testing!"
"Okay, I'll inspect your genitals, drop 'em and we'll prove it to everyone"
problem is: these bigots would LOVE to show off the little junk they have in exchange for seeing others.
They’d probably have a sickly grin on too, because it brings back fond memories of Uncle Touchy’s Naked Puzzle Basement.
Spoiler: the rep is uncle touchy
"That's why we'll have to fire a dozen teachers; so we can have trained inspectors on hand."
You have to put yourself in their mindset...
"Under this bill, coaches will ask their students this very question. High school coaches are the ones who will be performing this so-called 'qualified testing', and it starts with this question. Are you trans?"
"What if I ask you to prove it? Will you be comfortable doing that for me? Would you prefer we bring in a high school coach?"
"When do you think it's okay for someone to ask you to prove your gender? What if my colleagues and I are uncomfortable sharing the Congressional bathrooms and athletic facilities with you, until we know for sure what you are hiding in your pants? Do we have a right to ask you to prove it?"
Do we have a right to ask you to prove it?”
As a GOP master [de]bater I'd jump on that last one. "Certainly you have a right. I'll bring in a note from my doctor tomorrow,"
The great thing about this is that we have now stepped past the "why" part of the argument and gotten to the "how."
"To clarify, sir, a medical note is unacceptable. In order to comply with this bill, do you believe you should be forced to provide your original birth certificate to prove you are cisgender before you can participate in any sports activities? "
Besides, they drink the kool-aid. They're bad debaters because they believe this shit - as evidenced in this article - and most of them would absolutely not be willing to prove they are cisgender.
It's a complex issue for sure, but I'm really proud of this thread for consistently using the term "trans women" when talking about the differences between trans women compared to cis women and cis men in sports.
On Reddit, most people on this debate just say "biological males," "males," or "men" in situations where they're clearly talking about trans women, which is a clear tell that it was never about fairness in sports for them.
I'm not convinced it's as complex as people pretend it is, largely because the number of clearly dominant trans athletes are so low. Maybe we haven't seen a problem already because there simply isn't a problem, even if you could theoretically tell a story that sounds somehow "unfair" depending on your storytelling skills.
I stay out of that fight because I don't know enough about the real statistics to comment on it. Which I feel like would drastically improve the situation if all these armchair "bIoLoGiCaL aDvAnTaGe" people would do the same.
I still don't understand why the government needs to be involved in sports at all. They're games, it's not that serious. Leave it to the experts within those organizations to come up with whatever rules are needed.
America has a reputation at being the "best" at everything always. That's why government is involved in sports in general, but as to the trans women topic it's because we're in a full on fascist takeover and they're number one on their list of people to "purify"
Its not complicated at all.
Trans folks are just folks. Takes all kinds. Mind your own business.
People who can't mind their own business are assholes. And should be treated like the assholes they are.
Not to mention just how blatantly disrespectful it is to not treat people how they want to be treated. Republicans love to pull a bible out of their gaping holes when it suits them right? Luke 6:31-36.
And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Fundies largely ignore the New Testament, especially anything Jesus is quoted as saying (they're more in line with St Paul, especially the Epistles that he probably didn't write) and they aggressively cherry-pick the Old. For example, they're always wearing clothing made of mixed fiber types, so they're going to burn in hell: it's an abomination according to Leviticus. And all the requirements to welcome foreigners among you, and requiring extreme hospitality to strangers: they just pretend that part isn't there.
And as for the Old Testament (the Tanakh) itself, the Jews, over millennia, developed a whole apparatus of analysis and exegesis (the Talmud) to take the various fairy tales, genealogies, records of the actions of kings and prophets, poems and nationalistic history and try to draw conclusions as to what they're telling us. The fundies, in their arrogance, instead believed that anyone could interpret a translation of those texts with no context, no critical thought, and no use of reason, as long as they pretended they believed hard enough. They're like the Sovereign Citizen morons interpreting case law as though it's based on magic phrases.
Oh. Fucking Reddit is so fucked. That place has fully embraced the scum. All meaningful conversation there is absolutely dead, conservatives have absolutely poisoned the well and nobody is open for business even if they want to be. Even good mods are 100% scorched earth, which can be nice, but sometimes the questions are genuine and the person they're having a convo with can easily destroy them. But because there's so much sockpuppeting and astroturfing and just shitty behavior, most people are now deaf and lazy, and even in the same comment threads, it becomes an echo chamber of two idiots trying to appeal to the audience with mic drops.
Even if it weren't totally cooked from admins to culture, reddit is unreliable, untrustworthy, and functionally useless.
I swear to god republicans found out Penis Inspection Day wasn't real and are now making it a thing to save face.
Penis inspection day was real though. Up until ≈1974 in the USA you had to show your dick to go swimming in public pools.
Hahaha.... hol' up... what do you mean not real?
/s
I just hate that it takes my pastor the whole day to do the inspection
“Because I want to know, how does a 14-year-old girl prove whether or not she’s trans to a 50-year-old coach?”
Puts on rubber glove we have teasts
Generally these tests are conducted by pedophiles and kept secret, so I can see why the GOP has no problem with them.
I'm pretty sure he's MS13. We should deport him just in case.
No, he’s tren de aragua. He’s part of the invasion and should be transported to CECOT post haste
From the State House to the White House, we are saying that we will no longer allow our daughters and women to be taken advantage of by insecure men...
Yeah, we should protect them from these insecure, conservative men who constantly think about other people's genitals.
It's a real shame he deflected, I would have loved to see this argument continue.
trans guys have bigger dicks than republican legislators, so this is a fair question
Last time I was at the gynecologist’s- “that’s unusually big - are you sure you aren’t intersex”?
Nurse told me my dong was big, hehe.
I guess I'm out of the loop on this subject and honestly I don't know if the information I have is factual or not.
Do trans women generally have a physical advantage over women? Are there any rules for this kind of thing? Do they need to be transitioning or taking suppression drugs? This is a serious question.
trans people on hormone replacement therapy stop receiving the effects of whatever hormone their body produces naturally. so trans women lose muscle mass, bone density, whatever, and have no benefit from having previously lived as a man.
additionally, im of the opinion that less than 1 percent of child athletes go on to play professional sports, so who gives a shit who is playing who
One could argue that having gone through puberty as a male people might have a bigger frame which could be advantageous in some cases (basketball, track) but in my mind, this is more an argument for puberty blockers than against athletics
That's the "big car small engine" problem. If anything, this puts trans women at a disadvantage in many sports. You're stuck with the large skeleton formed in a male puberty, but now you have female-level musculature moving it. There are many sports where trans women are actually at a disadvantage compared to cis women. To see the absolute absurdity of trans sports bans, consider that they apply to all sports. In what possible universe does a trans woman have an advantage in women's gymnastics?
Plenty of people might have different genetic advantages in sports, but they're allowed to compete. Who cares?
Exactly.
Michael Phelps’s height, wingspan, and large hands and feet give him an advantage in swimming. His body also produces less lactic acid than his rivals, which shortens his recovery time. However, his success is also due to his dedication and hard work.
https://www.scienceabc.com/sports/michael-phelps-height-arms-torso-arm-span-feet-swimming.html
If they want everything "equal" then an athlete like Phelps should be taking drugs to raise the lactic acid in his system.
It seems to me that they should try to pair up these sports teams based on the talent of the individual player rather than their genitalia
"Do trans women generally have a physical advantage over women?"
No. Trans women were able to complete in the Olympics beginning in 2004. No trans woman has won an Olympic medal in the woman's category.
There are many studies that compare cis men to cis women and based on that claim trans women have an advantage. Among the studies that actually compare trans women to cis women it is generally found that trans women have no overall advantage.
"Are there any rules for this kind of thing? Do they need to be transitioning or taking suppression drugs?"
The rules and requirements vary by league. At higher levels of competition its generally required to have hormone levels at cis female levels for a prolonged period. Often 6 months or longer. To clarify, getting to those levels roughly takes 2+ years of hormone replacement therapy(hrt). Hrt for trans women generally consist of an anti-androgen, estradiol, and progesterone.
The answer is more complicated than other comments would lead you to believe. Before I get into all that, please know it doesn’t matter. Especially, when it comes to 14 year old kids who are playing JV sports at school.
First, the problem with studies is that there are very few trans athletes to study. Some studies have only one or two subjects.
Studies show that there is both an advantage and a disadvantage depending on what sport we are talking about and how long the athlete has been on hormones. Weightlifting and other strength based sports do tend to give an edge to trans women. However, cardio sports such as swimming and running put trans women at a disadvantage because they now have smaller muscle mass for their larger frames.
To me, it doesn’t matter. The camaraderie and other things that kids get out of sports is more important than who wins and who loses.
I don't know about performance, or advantage (and I don't think it matters since noone seems to care about the performance or fairness of non-proffesional sports unless it can be used as a bludgeon against trans people), but I happened to be arguing with my neighbor about this a few days and found that, according to the president of the NCAA there are "less than 10" transgender athletes in college sports out of about a half million. I feel like the whole discussion is a red herring. 1