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[–] robins420@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cracking start. However, Bayern still has the best offence and defence and is only two points behind.

Remains to be seen how long they can keep up the levels cause Bayern is looking better and better as the season progresses.

[–] plesnotthis@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

We have a way better midfield tho. They don't have a single good DM and we have 3. Our defense has been better than theirs too I'll say

[–] Unban_Ice@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah well that will change in less than 2 months

[–] CarlSK777@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Our defense has been better than theirs too I'll say

That's fine but I don't know you can make a legit argument for it.

Shots conceded/90:

Bayern : 8.64

Leverkusen: 9.82

Shots on target conceded/90:

Bayern: 2.09

Leverkusen: 4.00

xG Against:

Bayern: 8.90

Leverkusen: 11.3

Better in what way?

[–] Carpathicus@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah Leverkusen looks extremely solid and has a balanced squad which Bayern doesnt for some time now. However teams will start to adjust to Leverkusen more especially after the winter and injuries can easily spoil the fun. Generally however Leverkusen looks like the strongest contender Bayern had since Dortmund 10 years ago.

[–] WW_Jones@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It must be frustrating to pull out such a historically epic start and still be just 2pts ahead of Bayern.

[–] Nilbogoblins@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Something similar happening in Turkey?

[–] nkdouble4@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

still a long way to go but they have to be favorites for 2nd place surely

[–] Black_XistenZ@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are far and away a top2 team so far if we go by actual performances, and they're already 8/10 points ahead of Leipzig/Dortmund.

[–] SanSilver@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Leverkusen is also overperforming a lot. 4.3 points behind Bayern at xPoints. https://understat.com/league/Bundesliga

[–] Black_XistenZ@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Top clubs typically overperform their xG and xGa (and thus their xPts) by quite a bit because they have the best strikers and keepers. So what Leverkusen is doing is actually in line with the quality of their squad, it's Bayern which is actually underperforming due to defensive lapses in key moments. This notion is also confirmed by Bayern's fantastic GD.

[–] skunkrider@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

According to Understat, Bayern is also overperforming

[–] Black_XistenZ@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

By 1.42 points, which is perfectly normal. Like I said, top clubs typically overperform their xPoints by a bit. Leverkusen, by contrast, is overperforming by a whooping 7.72 points according to understat.

[–] HenryReturns@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

The most funny part is that the Bayern record of 31/33 points , Xabi Alonso was part of that squad that did that under Pep Guardiola. And now he is doing it as a coach. So he is getting this as a player and as a coach.