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This is often used to attack or force migrate conversations from a instance someone doesn't like to another instance they do like. It's offensive by its very nature.
I have to say I haven't come across this issue too often as I basically never browse /All. But I definitely have noticed this with cm0002's personal crusade against .ml pissing off more than one poster in communities I follow.
yeah, that is exactly who is causing the pain. I was blissfully ignorant of it, until someone explained their grevience and I labeled them in voyager as a jacker, and now I see how duplicative and bad for lemmy they make everybody's experience.
So, are we all just supposed to accept the .ml instance bans? https://feddit.nl/post/16246531
I'm not the biggest fan of the way @cm0002@lemmy.world handles this, but at the same time, the usual recommendation for people unhappy with the way a community was managed was to make their own.
Also, the "authorship" issue is brought up a few times in this threads, but don't @cm0002@lemmy.world posts always credit the original author?
Examples:
After a post author has already been made aware of an alternative community and has asked cm0002 multiple times to stop reposting their original content there, continuing to do so anyway is extremely rude. Yes, the internet is free, the content is out there and there is nothing stopping cm0002 from continuing to repost it. But there is also nothing stopping me from thinking he's a fucking asshole whose efforts create more hatred and internal division on this platform than it unites us.
Some of the communities he wages war against have zero political connections (such as !crows@lemmy.ml) and have never once even approached a moment of controversy with a mod or admin.
But he is on a mission from God as a hero of the people in his just crusade against the evils of the internet or whatever, so in his own words it "must be done".
I have never seen them credit the original. Occasionally will see them saying it's from an ml ask lemmy but they put more effort into bragging about taking it off an ml space than credit
are we all just supposed to accept the .ml instance bans?
I think you should. You have the remainder of the English-speaking internet in which to post popular CIA disinformation about the failed June 4th color revolution without any pushback. Why do you need this space too?
It's especially stupid since karma isn't a thing on Lemmy. Karma was fake on reddit, but people love a good mental feedback mechanism. Here, though, you're just being a dick if you steal content.
I could not agree more. @cm0002@lemmy.world could maybe use a bit of self-reflection in that regard.
Getting worse with them now doing it to ask lemmy posts
Yeah bro just decided to be a dick about it to random individuals.
I don't target random individuals, this is about the problem with the admins of .ml. I cross-post to reduce the influence of .ml comms to make it an easier decision for instances admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate, is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms
Some highlights from the link:
"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558
CW: Original transphobic Comment from Nutomic
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
If it absolutely must be copied then the cross post mechanism should be used.
We literally have reposting bots for hackernews, reddit, Twitter, etc. It's nearly infinite content out there.
Hurting Lemmy users makes it harder to grow the platform
Wait, so what you're complaining about is something other than crossposts? 'Cause to me, this thread sounded like you were just bitching about crossposts.
Edit: you should copy your explanation here into your initial post itself so that we all understand what you were actually talking about.
Agreed, I wasn't sure what Jet was talking about.
Another problem Piefed has solved by aggregating crossposts into a single thread.
You've piqued my interest.
PieFed has flairs, spoilers, polls, topics, feeds (like multireddits), better mod and reporting tools. All for you to check out!
I haven't seen this, so can't speak on it. What's the difference between someone reposting the same article/crossposting and content jacking?
Let's say you make a niche post about a programming feature
2-6 hours later someone copies your post exactly but doesn't cross post. Now people browsing by New see the copy first and if they do see the original it feels redundant/ spammy.
If people do talk about this niche thing it's likely they won't be talking in the same place.
You as the poster won't see the engagement with your content, you won't see comments, and you may be less incentivized to post again
If the cross post feature is used, does it merge comments as well?
It does on Piefed
https://piefed.zip/post/100161
All comments from 5 crossposts in a single view
A few options
Happy with how PieFed deals with it. Lemmy often feels like a ghost town with posts having zero comments. PieFed combining them takes most of that away, and I guess it reduces any incentive to 'pinch' other people's posts?
Lemmy as a social media discussion forum is about human attention. The economy of success on lemmy is curating a audience and having their attention both in terms of voting, but more importantly, in terms of discussions.
Competition between communities is healthy and good
Trying to "boycott" or starve out other communities by making them "redundant" by burning out human attention on lemmy is bad for everyone
If you hate a community, make a better community, don't try to burn out everyone who likes the old community.
I cross-post to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly the instance as a whole to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate, is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms
Some highlights from the link:
"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558
CW: Original transphobic Comment from Nutomic
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
Whatever harm you think this does to the Lemmy-verse pales in comparison to the harm .ml and the behavior of its admins does because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy always leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left"
One question for @jet@hackertalks.com
I've been reposting content from !buyfromeu@feddit.org and !BuyFromEU@europe.pub to !buyeuropean@feddit.uk when that movement was still very active.
There was even a !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com post about it: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/39614799
My rationale was that
Wanting to consolidate similar communities is a regular topic here, with the last attempt from 2 days ago: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/47122168
But sometimes some posters just want to stick to their home instance rather than consolidate.
I've been in a similar situation for !android@lemdro.id and !android@lemmy.world, as well as !movies@piefed.social and !movies@lemmy.world . There was a regular poster who would only post to the LW versions, even though I reached out several times to them, offering them mod positions on the other communities.
They now stopped posting, so the two non-LW communities are now more active than the LW versions, but that's a bit unfortunate as it would have been better to have them continue posting on .
In those cases, should content crossposting stop?
We usually tell people "if you don't like a community, make your own and convince people it is better". Having more content usually makes a community better. And also, in a lot of cases, people just repost content from Reddit anyway.
Open for comments and discussions.
I gave you feedback about top posting movie content before.
I think it robs the original poster of interaction. If you reached out offering change and they didn't engage you have your answer
As you said there is infinite content on the internet to import into Lemmy, no reason to steal the interactions from a small lemmy.world poster
If you must do it then it's good you used the cross post feature so there is some connection back to the original poster.
So in this scenario the lw movie poster didn't get enough engagement on their content and left... That's a net negative for Lemmy