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  • The EU Citizens petition to stop killing games is not looking good. It's shy of halfway where it needs to be, on a very high threshold, and it's over in a month and change.
  • paraphrasing a little more than a half hour of the video: "Man, fuck Thor/Pirate Software for either lying or misunderstanding and signal boosting his incorrect interpretation of the campaign."
  • The past year has been quite draining on Ross, so he's done campaigning after next month.
  • It will still take a few years for the dust to clear at various consumer protection bureaus in 5 different countries, and the UK's seems to be run by old men who don't understand what's going on.
  • At least The Crew 2 and Motorfest will get offline modes as a consolation prize?
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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (4 children)

PirateSoftware is an enormous cunt.

And he makes no effort to hide it.

I genuinely don't understand why he has such a rabid fanbase.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I've seen him described elsewhere as "a poor man's idea of a rich man" and I think it's accurate.

With that said, I don't think it's his fault the petition failed, people just don't care usually.

edit: To give more context, Pirategames literally does not know what the Stop Killing Games movement is about, he thinks it's only about single-player games being always-online (yes that's a component of it but not the whole thing) and converting multiplayer games to be offline-playable single-player games but it does NOT mention that anywhere because it is NOT about that. However, I guarantee you that Pirategames will not admit that he was mistaken about his understanding of the Stop Killing Games movement, he will instead double and triple down and insist that he had the correct understanding of it. lol

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Youtube shorts.

Imagine you're a gamer, one who is interested in game Design. Your view history has games, gaming, game design, but it's also full of algotrash talking heads, scam baiters, shit slingers. You open the YouTube app on your phone, and it immediately opens to shorts, you don't remember settings that as the default but it's fine, you recognize the creator and the 45 second clip was neat. Swipe up. Next video, it Nile Blue dropping a beaker of chloroauric acid. Next video, its Chris Boden yelling about some kind of electrical infrastructure you don't understand (and that's pretty cool). Next video, Thor, speaking softly, explaining an aspect of game design that you never thought of. This one catches your attention, its in your wheelhouse, its something you're genuinely interested in. You click the profile, swipe through a few more shorts. Your algorithm is permanently damaged. Your a pirate software fan now, whether you like it or not.

Or you can use freetube and never see algotrash talking heads in your feed and never enter into this cycle.

[–] seralth@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey don't talk shit about Chris he's a fun dude who shares his passion and cool knowledge and that's pretty cool.

Never talked shit about about Chris, love the guy, but its absolutely true that he partakes in the same clickbaity tendencies that lead us to this problem in the first place.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I really fucking hate that, too. The algorithm is so fucking vile and evil.

I cant even watch the content i want to watch on youtube, like fishing and guns (with the exception of forgotten weapons and InRange, which the algorithm doesnt seem to view as gateways to right wing indoctrination (cause they arent) and seem to be safe.. at least for now.), because if I so much as hover my mouse over one of the thumbnails of that kind of content, I immediately get blasted with 3 months of right wing extremist pseudo-intellectual diarrhea that I cant escape without completely resetting my browser.

but if I spend an evening watching retrogaming stuff? Oh fuck, Youtube just completely ignores that and pretends it never saw me show interest in that.

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[–] FarmTaco@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago

big mistake bud, you just made the list

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

i don't watch him but i hope this isn't about what he did in wow because the sheer fact that anyone even gives a shit seems wild to me. but hey i hate MMOs so maybe that's why.

is there other reasons people don't/shouldn't like him or is it just vibes

edit: nvm got an answer on another content

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not because he did anything wrong in wow that people are upset/memeing about, it's because he's unable to say "I'm sorry, I could have done better" without including any buts or "the others also messed up". It has just exposed him as an incredibly self obsessed person.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

on that part sorry i still don't care. it's a child's game; there's nothing to apologize for. but his comments on stop killing games and accused farms are bad.

[–] absquatulate@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I think the initiative just ran out of steam. I remember seeeing it everywhere for the first month or so, and then nothing, and it plateaued around where it is now. Maybe the vast majority of EU gamers just can't be arsed to read and sign a petition like this. I mean most can't even vote with their wallet when a shit game releases. And of course it's fun to blame thor/pirateguy for this ( and they probably did have their share of fault ) but in the end it looks like 500k is the amount of gamers that actually give a fuck about the state of things.

Yup, I don’t watch his content, but looking at his actual viewership numbers, he doesn’t even remotely have the impact to make or break a petition by himself.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean I'm tired of signing online petitions that get summarily ignored

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This isn't "just a petition". It's a formal path to get a response from the EU commission. If it reaches the thresholds, the EU commission is forced by law to consider it. It isn't some random petition that can be filed away and never heard of again.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

what's it like having a (semi)functional government?

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

Would be better if citizens actually cared and didn't dream of becoming the USA 🤷‍♂

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 27 points 2 days ago

It just didn't reach enough people, no one I know that is not on Reddit and Lemmy even heard about it or understood the problem to begin with, on top of that, most "gamers" are playstation players that don't know anything about these problems or care for that matter.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Completely agree, I also noticed that every single notable person I see talking about this is from the US or Canada. I also get the impression that the EU simply doesn't care enough.

[–] TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 73 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Piratesoftware makes me so fucking mad, shit is so crazy people give him the time of day.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've always thought that the only solution to this problem is being able to reverse engineering central servers and thus being effectively being able to pirate online only games.

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Reverse engineering the server is reverse engineering the whole game. It's going to require skilled engineers and a significant time investment. It may be possible, but not practical.

Also, the client will likely verify it is talking to a legitimate server by checking a certificate, so you may also have to hack the client too.

At some point you're better off making your own game with hookers and blackjack.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's an unreliable solution, because there's no guarantee that even dedicated and talented individuals will be able to reverse engineer every online server, if that game has those individuals in its customer base in the first place. The solution seems to be either legislation, which this campaign is seeking, or for the market to outright reject online-only games, which it isn't doing. I don't even really have an alternative to online-only games in some genres, like FPS for instance, to send my dollars toward instead; sports games are in a similar position, since the sports organizations all signed exclusivity contracts.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The solution is legislation, as without that, we can't expect companies to decide to release either the executables or source code for running the servers, other than a handful looking to get some attention and goodwill.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

Which is exactly what the EU Citizen's Initiative is about 👌

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 130 points 2 days ago (1 children)

yeah my opinion on piratesoftware was really cemented by his inability to do a charitable reading of the petition.

[–] Tyoda@lemm.ee 96 points 2 days ago

It really was a good ole' internet argument where he was just obnoxiously wrong in his interpretation and remained just as confidently incorrect the entire time.

[–] QubaXR@lemmy.world 96 points 2 days ago

It was nice to have some degree of hope for nearly a year. So I guess, thanks for at least giving it a serious attempt Ross.

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