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various assassinations, the brink of nuclear apocalypse, an unpopular political war away from home that caused a social movement, and political espionage.

It's like we're cursed.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 14 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, but not every empire survives these things. Or survives and remains recognizable.

The U.S. has also never experienced a felon rapist traitor in the Oval Office with an entire party abdicating their responsibilities and conceding their power to that felon rapist traitor and protecting him from repercussions at every opportunity.

Reality check. We have a literal traitor in the Oval Office backed by a treasonous party.

Shit's not looking good.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 15 hours ago

Shit is not looking good

[–] CouncilOfFriends@slrpnk.net 109 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's like we built on top of a haunted Native American burial ground or something

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 23 hours ago
[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 40 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

various assassinations, the brink of nuclear apocalypse, an unpopular political war away from home that caused a social movement, and political espionage.

It's been a crazy week.

[–] kubok@fedia.io 8 points 18 hours ago

And it's only Tuesday!

[–] vala@lemmy.world 21 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

"Extinction is the rule, survival is the exception" - Carl Sagan

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 10 points 17 hours ago

There's an unbroken chain of descent between you and the first single-celled organism.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 4 points 17 hours ago

While it's true that the US survived all of those challenges of the past and had a pretty good run after WWII... was that just the coin toss coming up heads 10x in a row?

[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago

Just like every other country

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 28 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

You can only drop something so many times before it actually breaks, and we never really fixed the cracks caused by the civil war.
Reconstruction ended early after Johnson took office and as a result we didn't end segregation in the south until a century after the war ended.
There are people alive now who still remember segregation and some of them liked it that way. And now they're empowered, both metaphorically and literally, thanks to the gerontocracy we've created.
We're going to tear ourselves apart trying to undo 60 years of progress over the next 4 years.
I feel like if we pull through this as an intact nation it's not going to be recognizable as the nation we grew up in until long after we're all gone. It's going to take generations to clean up this mess.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Agree 100%.

Although I don't just blame the old people, a lot of them were hippies.

We're still the same divided country we were in the civil war, racists and oligarchs vs people of better character.

Trump has, even at this early point, permanently changed the political realities of this country. He will be remembered for elevating the presidency to the point where the rule of law no longer applies.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

a lot of them were hippies.

A lot of them were hippies that became selfish assholes. People change. Especially when there are propaganda networks working to change them.

We’re still the same divided country we were in the civil war

Except now every stupid, racist asshole has the ability to spread their message to millions of people.

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 16 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (12 children)

You're not wrong about all the things that have happened, but there are lots of countries around the world over that same timeline who have had a much worse go of things. The US has been the most powerful country in the world, so what happens here has an outsized impact, however this seems like just another facet of "American exceptionalism," that the bad things that the US has done or had happen are somehow more special than all the bad things that have happened everywhere else.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

The US has been the most powerful country in the world

For roughly 75 years.

France was strongly dominant under Napoleon for 15 years and didn't suffer too badly for 15 more years after that.

The period of the British Empire's global dominance, often referred to as the Pax Britannica, ran roughly 300 years.

The Roman Empire was dominant in the West for roughly 500 years, much longer in the eastern reaches.

The primary difference of the period of US dominance is that it has been almost entirely sustained by MAD - mutually assured destruction vs every other entity on the globe.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Among the empires you just cited, let's consider the wars, atrocities, assassinations, crises, and plagues they perpetuated and endured

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 14 hours ago

let’s consider the wars, atrocities, assassinations, crises, and plagues they perpetuated and endured

Absolutely. And, while there's always atrocities and tragedies around the world, back in "those days" the height of civilization was still brutal and cruel. We, globally, seem to have improved the "bright spots" somewhat as time goes by - even if we still leave the bulk of global human population in poverty and oppression.

My point about the 75 years? There have been shorter flashes in the pan, and much longer ones, we're nothing particularly special - what is special about this era is the power that fossil fuels have endowed modern society with. We've done some good things with those, and a lot of bad too.

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[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I don't think this is only true for your nation. I mean, I'm from Belgium, not only did this nation massacre a lot of people in the Congo, it also provided the uranium for the Manhattan Project and the ensuing Little Boy dropped on Hiroshima.

It's not (per se) nations that get the worst out of us, it's the power structures controlling such nations.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

No, I'm sure. But we seem like we're on some accelerated timeline or something. Gotta be awful quickly.

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

To the point of the one above you, Belgium is technically younger than the United States.

But honestly, the only reason we really know how messed up a lot of these things are, is because of people digging into these things and finding out that power corrupts. We need transparency, integrity and honesty if we are to get to a point where we don't read the news with existential dread.

I think most of governing at this point is cleaning up messes from before and creating new messes along the way because we are incapable of solving problems sustainably.

Take immigration, which has become a widespread issue all throughout the west. Rather than figuring out how to stop people from wanting to run away to our countries, we prefer to exile these people, separate them from our society and, if at all possible, just make them not come into our countries at all. I'm not saying there's a simple solution, I'm just saying we are so focused on combating symptoms, we completely ignore the actual cause of issues.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 17 hours ago

Transparency is always the answer. Any changes which increase secrecy or decrease accountability are the opposite of progress.

Rather than figuring out how to stop people from wanting to run away to our countries, we prefer to exile these people, separate them from our society and, if at all possible, just make them not come into our countries at all.

Carrot and stick. Some people only understand hoarding their carrots and beating anyone within reach with their sticks.

[–] offendicula@fedia.io 3 points 22 hours ago

Agreed, most every nation has survived horrible things and quite a few have done horrible things. It's not just the US.

[–] jcr@jlai.lu 3 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

"amEriCA wENT thGROuGH 2 WoRld waRs" no fight on usa soil ever ...

There should be an another to tell it

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

☝️Actually, the war of 1812 was in the US. The White House was burned down and Washington DC was occupied.

And the civil war, our deadliest, was fought on US soil.

Even in WW2, the attack on Pearl Harbor and the Battle of the Aleutian Islands ought to be mentioned.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Don't forget that both times we waited until the second half of the war to even step in. We waited until all the other nations were exausted before lifting a finger.

[–] warbond@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

I don't think that the semantic discrepancy is really the point.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 16 hours ago

Relevant graphic. USA deaths weren't even in the top ten, percent-wise or raw numbers.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 13 hours ago

Apparently Hawaii and the Philippines don't exist

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Without WWII the US would hardly be a relevant world power like it is today. The US minted its dominance in WWII by producing so much and pushing the world to adopt its standards in the aftermath. Of most everything, from goods to language. If it weren’t for that, diplomacy would probably still be conducted in French, and screws wouldn’t have 60° angle threads

WWII was bad for the world, but literally the best thing to ever happen to the US probably

[–] cloudless@piefed.social 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Are you saying that the country has survived through things, so you don't worry any more? Not sure if I understand your logic.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (7 children)

I am saying that the present situation is not out of character for the USA.

We are the Florida of the world.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 17 hours ago

The US as a whole can't really achieve Florida levels of.... Floridaness. You need fewer good paying jobs, higher costs of living, lots more old retired people running things, more drugs - all kinds, sunburn and sweat instead of frostbite and snow to shovel.

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[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's like people who say that you shouldn't get vaccinated, you should just get the disease so you don't get the disease.

[–] cloudless@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago

It is more like saying that if you survived a stroke, you will live forever.

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Capitalism. All caused by capitalism.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

It's also already gone through everything happening right now.

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

Fuck America. Sincerely, Canada.

[–] fakir@lemm.ee 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't see that as cursed, but rather that humanity is so resilient no matter the size of the evil, humanity always endures. And it's not just the US, but pretty much any population in any region going back to thousands of years. The God that helps survive all this evil is called Oneness (cooperation & empathy). And that we are the product of strong ancestors.

PS: we'll be alright.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 17 hours ago

The God that helps survive all this evil is called Oneness (cooperation & empathy).

Capitalism, the relentless pursuit of profits, combined with modern fuel and machinery, is undermining that Oneness at unprecedented rates. If it is allowed to destroy the ecosystem, maybe a handful of human survivors can suffer a long period of healing and restoration through Oneness - but billions will die most unpleasantly in the meantime.

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