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The revived No JS Club celebrates websites that don't use Javascript, the powerful but sometimes overused code that's been bloating the web and crashing tabs since 1995. The No CSS Club goes a step further and forbids even a scrap of styling beyond the browser defaults. And there is even the No HTML Club, where you're not even allowed to use HTML. Plain text websites!

The modern web is the pure incarnation of evil. When Satan has a 1v1 with his manager, he confers with the modern web. If Satan is Sauron, then the modern web is Melkor [1]. Every horror that you can imagine is because of the modern web. Modern web is not an existential risk (X-risk), but is an astronomic suffering risk (S-risk) [2]. It is the duty of each and every man, woman, and child to revolt against it. If you're not working on returning civilization to ooga-booga, you're a bad person.

A compromise with the clubs is called for. A hypertext brutalism that uses the raw materials of the web to functional, honest ends while allowing web technologies to support clarity, legibility and accessibility. Compare this notion to the web brutalism of recent times, which started off in similar vein but soon became a self-subverting aesthetic: sites using 2.4MB frameworks to add text-shadow: 40px 40px 0px hotpink to 400kb Helvetica webfonts that were already on your computer.

I also like the idea of implementing "hypotext" as an inversion of hypertext. This would somehow avoid the failure modes of extending the structure of text by failing in other ways that are more fun. But I'm in two minds about whether that would be just a toy (e.g. references banished to metadata, i.e. footnotes are the hypertext) or something more conceptual that uses references to collapse the structure of text rather than extend it (e.g. links are includes and going near them spaghettifies your brain). The term is already in use in a structuralist sense, which is to say there are 2 million words of French I have to read first if I want to get away with any of this.

Republished Under Creative Commons Terms. Boing Boing Original Article.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 48 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 1 day ago

I wonder why that person doesn't just change the browser defaults.

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[–] icedcoffee@lemm.ee 7 points 20 hours ago

This fucken rules

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago
[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (6 children)

Someone ask them how they make their ascii art without those technologies. (I'm interested)

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[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am in the "whistling into the phone handset on a dialup connection is the purest form of online communication" club.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago

Butterflies.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago
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[–] owl@infosec.pub 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

no http club, who is joining?

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago

I did using Gemini (the protocol, not Google's thing) and Gopher.

[–] martinb@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 20 hours ago

Gopher it 😂

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 23 hours ago

Pretty much have. If it's not https, I stay away.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

Might be more accessible than gopherholes and gemini gems(?)

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 1 day ago
[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

BBSes are back!

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I love this.

I thought I was being "bare-bones" when I remade my website with PHP & XML (no framework or database). What would they think about a python app that delivers plaintext or html? Is that still kosher for the no-js gang? Or does it have to be static files?

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

I’d be down with the no-html crowd if they made one exception to allow anchor tags. A web without links sounds not so usable.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

I always loved text stuff. The old rogue games were awesome.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I wish web browsers had markdown support. At least for basics like links, headers, bold, etc.

[–] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

we got static site generators tho

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Plus markdown is kinda loosy goosy when it comes to the "standard". Sites like Github and wikipedia have slightly different specs. And each site has a different scheme to hook into it.

Its much easier to set up static site generators or hook into something that can translate. But maybe that will change.

I personally would like other languages in the browser. Native python the browser would be nice for example.

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[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think everyone can agree the no-html club is insane. Why not just a reduced version, so you can actually do stuff like links?

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I think because in 10 or so years, there might be a new standard that breaks the site again. Or makes it unusable.

TXT walkthroughs are still used for a reason. Its much harder to break txt files over decades.

All that is assuming someone still wants to read your txt but that is besides the point.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Anyone using basic HTML elements from the first HTML spec would still be supported in 99+% of cases today. HTML has added lots, and removed very, very, very little.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Blink tag! Blink tag! Blink tag!

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