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Freedom degrees. Roughly -13° or 38° if you live in the sane parts of the world.

I’d pick triple digits, mostly because I’ve lived in places that routinely hit 100° in the summer, and I hate shoveling snow.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 22 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I can survive in 9c but 100c will kill me.

yhea 9° is still shorts and t-shirts weather for me.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

This, exactly lol

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 10 points 14 hours ago

If you actually live in those temp ranges, you're fucked either way. Modern technology is what makes those ranges bearable.

That being said, I can bundle up pretty easy compared to mitigating heat.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 11 points 17 hours ago

Single digits for sure. I'll be okay from -9 to +9, but I don't really see a solution to a 999°F heatwave

[–] Tinks@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Assuming modern technology didn't suddenly disappear, I would pick the cold without a doubt. Give me a good sized greenhouse attached to my home for growing my garden and I would be happy as a lamb. I hate summer, and the heat that comes with it. While 9F is colder than I typically prefer for outdoor activities (I generally like it right around 40F) I can make clothing and gear adjustments to continue outdoor hobbies like hiking and backpacking. If it was perpetually colder here I would probably take up a snow sport too. (Currently it's not snowy enough where I live for snow sports). Also if it's that cold I would never have to deal with bugs again and I am 100% here for that.

As it currently is I'm basically stuck inside for 3 months of the year due to heat unless I want to drive 8 or more hours for a brief holiday respite. Summer is the worst. Give me arctic cold please.

[–] Dashi@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I was voting cold before but I didn't even think about the bugs. 1000% team cold now lol.

[–] Tinks@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Right? I will happily deal with the cold to make mosquitoes, gnats and ticks a problem I no longer have.

[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Not even a choice.

If you choose over 100F you will see electronics failing more often, working harder, less efficient, working badly, etc because the heat is causing them to throttle in various ways. In the modern world it is far, far easier to heat up a space with a house full of electronics and humans than it is to keep it cool. The energy required to raise the temperature from say 5 degrees F to a more comfortable 40 degrees (35 degree change) pales in comparison to the energy required to keep yourself and your devices cool a mere 10-15 degrees less to around 90 degrees which is still uncomfortably hot and sweaty.

I'll note that a constant 100 degrees is more than hot enough to cause various foods, medications, substances to break down and go bad. Check your medicine cabinet, most of your pills including over the counter are only rated for storage at up to 86 degrees. Your medicine will lose efficiency or go bad in some, perhaps many cases. Your food outside your fridge will spoil more quickly, mold and bacteria will grow more quickly and readily. Your fridge itself will work harder and die sooner.

The tap water will run hot or warm most of the time meaning a shower won't necessarily cool you off much.

The colder temperatures are cheaper all costs considered, feel better, can be negated at a moment's notice with socks, a jacket, and a blanket.

It's easy to insulate a home against extreme cold and just retain heat you generate inside including by your body and devices. It requires a lot more effort to keep the inside cold when both the outside and things inside are generating heat and trying to warm it up.

This is a reason why climate change is a nightmare not just for human comfort but on so many levels. Our electronics are going to operate less efficiently in a warmer world and draw more power to do so.

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[–] lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Single digit temperatures. One can always wear more clothing to keep warm, but can only get so naked in triple digit heat before dying from exhaustion or dehydration.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Friendo, for those of us that have lived in deserts, no one gets naked. During the day at least ;)

Light clothes are amazing. I lived for 3 years on the edge of the Sahara with no power and pulling water from a well. When it was 110+F, sitting under a tree and soaking your shirt in water was perfectly fine, and more than enough to be comfortable. Turbans are amazing technology.

And I've spent time above the Arctic circle. I can compare the two.

While you like to think "you can put in more clothes," that's nice and all... Both if you have the right clothes, and have imported heat and calories. OP is talking about perpetual Arctic circle winter. Nothing grows, you will run out if wood to burn to stay warm. You will import everything, from boots to gloves to pants to coats. Look at an Inuit diet. Now look at a Mediterranean diet. Civilization flourished in areas that get hot. Humans spent 50,000 years in the equatorial zone. We are built for it.

You do you, but, uh...enjoy your narwhal blubber and seal jerkey I guess?

[–] ada@friend.blahaj.zone 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

@ephrin Well, assuming I still had access to mitigation strategies, like well designed housing etc, I'd choose permanent 38C (100F) over permanent -13C.

[–] ephrin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago

Sure, modern tech is available. Both of these theoretical would be pretty intolerable without them.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is a very different question outside of America and that one African country.

[–] ephrin@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Which is why I made the jab at “freedom degrees” in the text. Also “single or triple digits” is easier and less random than “-13 or 38?” 😅

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 day ago

I might actually prefer winter all year if it wasn't for that pesky "growing food" thing.

[–] Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure triple digit temperatures would result in death.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 13 hours ago

Depend on the exact digits, 100 or 999 kelvins sure would.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

we are measuring in Kelvins right?

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Single digit. It's easier to warm up than cool down, and I can't stand hot weather. I'm also fairly used to freezing temps.

[–] TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I literally moved from a 38 degrees+ country to a negative temps country. So yeah. Negative temps. 100%.

U can wear warm clothes. There exist no "cold" clothes.

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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Triple. No hesitation.

First off, coats are heavy and stupid. Breezy linens all day every day.

What food you going to grow in below freezing temps? Millet, sorghum, rice, grapes, tomatoes, onions, garlic -- all already grow in triple digit temps. I'm eating well.

Natural evaporative cooling is easier to achieve than burning slow-growing resources for heat daily. Millennia-old technology exists to handle high temps.

More people live in the Sahara than the Arctic. I'm not a penguin, no matter what the other kids said in school.

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[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

Ever since I had a heat exhaustion event in my late teens, I have been exceedingly sensitive to heat. Think actively sweating like I’m in a sauna - only in normal office temperatures. I have to shave my head for nearly half the year in order to not look like a drowned rat - and carry a “sweat towel” with me at all times to wipe the dripping sweat off a half dozen times an hour.

My home office is set to between 15℃ and 18℃ because that is the temperature where I feel the same amount of comfort as most other people do between 24℃ and 28℃. Throw a business suit into the mix, and that comfort range drops by 4-6℃.

There are times in the winter where I throw all the office windows open, let the -20℃ air roll in from outside, and actually enjoy wearing long pants and a sweater.

…I live in Canada. Near where it hit 50℃ during the heat dome a few years ago. Climate Change is going to be brutal for me.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I went through this in my middle teens. It took 10 or 20 years to go away.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, my heat exhaustion event was a quarter century ago. It’s just gotten worse and worse over the years.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 18 hours ago

That is just brutal.

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[–] Vaggumon@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If Fahrenheit single Digits, if Celsius, same answer. You can always put on more cloths or cover up with a warm blanket. You can only take so much off.

[–] bayleaf@piefed.ca 3 points 20 hours ago

If it's Celsius, would this even be a question? Can anything even survive at 100 degrees Celsius?

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

I just remove my upper layer of skin whenever it gets too hot.

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Arid, or humid?

It makes all the difference at higher temperatures. 100°F in Nevada or New Mexico is NOT the same thing as 100°F in Florida or Tennessee.

[–] ephrin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Let’s say half the year humid, half not.

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 3 points 22 hours ago

Then I’d do it.

All year humid, hell no. But a 6-mo break is ok.

[–] Flickerby@lemmy.zip 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I'd take single digit temperatures over 80+ even, let alone 100+, that's insane, I'm northern born so I start melting around 80, I would die at 100. Hell I'd take double digit negative temperatures only over triple digits

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I've lived in both. The generally colder environments with high humidity are worse than adding 10-15° and having low humidity.

[–] Flickerby@lemmy.zip 2 points 17 hours ago

When I was a kid we once had a snow storm so bad it took out the entire (small) town's power. People huddled up in the mayor's house because he had a working genny. When the adults had to go out they had to wear goggles or your eyes would start freezing in your skull. Yaaaa Minnesota

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Single digits. I love being bundled up. The less people look upon my decaying meat husk the better.

Also I like scarves a lot!! I want to wear them now, but it's insanely hot to me!

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Depends how high into the triple digits, whether there's shade and water available, how humid it is, whether air conditioning is an option, etc.

I would probably choose triple digits. I do love cold winters, but a dry 104F with a cool place to swim and big, shady trees is splendid. Beyond about 110F gets miserable, though.

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[–] Moonguide@lemmy.ml 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I live in a spot where temps range between 19-39 degrees in the daytime, swinging from dry to humid every now and again.

I'll take 1-9 C all day, every day. Despite living here my entire life, temps above 25 are uncomfortable for me. I've discovered that temps between 5 and 14 degrees for me are ideal.

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[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

First choice: 292 K

Second choice: 9 C

If we're talking only outdoor temperature, third choice is 100 F, because air conditioning exists, and my peppers would thrive.

If it's ambient indoor temperature too, then I pick 9 F, which is unpleasant, but survivable. At 100 F indoors, you will be constantly sweating for the rest of your life.

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