Sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t. Kyrie to the Mavs is working, but I’m not sure Kyrie is still a superstar. He’s got superstar skills though.
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I'm only gonna count superstars (all NBA second team or above) that were traded (not counting sign and trade)
2018 Kawhi to raptors huge success
2019 AD to Lakers huge success
2019 PG to clippers not successful
2020 Harden to Brooklyn, success when on the court
2023 KD to suns, TBD
2023 Dame to bucks, TBD
Most of the real super star trades are still pretty successful.
You do it every time when there's a chance
How the hell were we championship-caliber when we went out in the 1st round? To an 8th seed?
And we are 6-1 I believe with Dame.. that’s really great considering we just traded for him less than 2 months ago (lack of chemistry). And before you mention defense, we’re 6th in defensive rankings. With two top-5 scorers from last year..
Yes
Kent Benson and Kelly Tripucka for Adrian Dantley
Caldwell Jones for Moses Malone
Jeff Hornacek, Andre Lange and Tim Perry for Charles Barkley
KG
Bron
AD
To name a few
Bron never been traded
Big 3 Celtics. Without acquaint KG and Allen, Celts would not have won those rings.
Make a post like this after the season is over, not fucking 12 games in
Jrue Holiday was a great move for the Bucks at the time when everyone said they overpaid and I think we’ll feel the same about Dame eventually. We’re 12 games in and the Bucks are playing overall quite well.
Pau is an obvious W for the Lakers
Chris Paul to the Clippers was a huge win even though they didn’t win a championship. Years of remaining a top competitor in the west, just were rarely healthy.
Anthony Davis????
There’s plenty out there
The Bucks are playing well, but they’ve taken a big step back defensively. I’m not sure that Dame’s offense makes up for losing Jrue’s defense. It’s not like Jrue didn’t already bring good offense.
Trading good offense and elite defense for elite offense and weak defense looks like a bad move to me.
People are remembering the 2-2 start and completely ignoring all the games since then. Bucks are 6-2 since then and 6th in Net Rating. Our “bad offense” is 3rd in ORTG and our “putrid defense” is 10th in DRTG.
Does that mean much? No. But it means more than our first 4 games did.
Expecting immediate perfection is crazy. Of course in April when Milwaukee is buzzsawing through the East this sub will completely change its tune though
You are dead wrong on the Lillard take, he’s playing stellar basketball atm, clearly ramping up to his averages.
I am. I saw the defensive issue posts at start of season and didn’t look at recent games
For a quick run down of the bucks: Giannis didn’t really have an off-season due to getting surgery, he was cleared to run (not play) like a week before the preseason. So he’s been getting into shape. Dame is integrating into a new team and also appears to have been having injury issues (suddenly missed 2 games after a bunch of stinker performances, now looking fantastic in the last 2 games) and everyone is getting integrated into a new coaches design. The bucks offensive and defensive ratings have both been steadily (albeit slowly) increasing since the season started.
TLDR: give it time, they’re fine
There’s been so many busts: all of KD’s moves post Warriors
The Nets not winning wasn't KD's fault. Also, it's been less than full season w/ him on the Suns, plus they are 12-1 in the reg season when KD and Book play together. Definite bust though.
Beal to the Suns doesn’t look great so far
Dude strains a back muscle in preseason and it's already a bust of a trade. Got it.
This is what I fucking get for sorting by new, I guess.
Give Dame and Beal some time lol, it’s November
Ah yes labeling a trade a bust 12 games in as players figure out playing with each other and a first year coach.
Shaq to Miami brought a ring.
The refs brought that ring to Miami, not Shaq.
the fact that all your examples are players who are currently playing or within recent memory years shows your age.
The statement after 12 games that the Dame trade to the Bucks is a bust (where the team is 8-2 with him) shows your basketball intelligence.
Hope you finish your homework before school starts.
It's early, but it's looking like it's going to work out for Utah on the Rudy Gobert and Don Mitchell trades and I think Minnesota is happy with the move; I'm less certain of Cleveland because DM seems likely to leave in free agency.
Neither of those guys are superstars.
Kareem trade to the Lakers. Anthony Davis to the Lakers got Lebron his last ring.
Yes we traded for the buffalo Derrick white. Of course.
Clyde Drexler
Lots of them could work out this year. Durant, kyrie harden Et al
Shaq to Lakers.
Whoever gets the best player wins the trade.
Simply comparing the number that worked with the number that didn't doesn't tell you much without knowing how difficult the original situation was. If a choice turns a once in a million gamble into a one in a hundred, is that really a bad choice?
If your only bar for success is winning a championship, then that’s always going to be the case. There’s typically like 5-10 superstars in the league, depending on how loosely you define the term, and only one teams year wins the championship. Every year, most superstars “fail” by that metric- even moreso if you narrow the pool down to ones that were recently traded.
Miami wasn't really formed through trades, I mean LeBron was traded but as a sign+trade. He was going there in free agency either way.