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Player BPM TS%
Porzingis 7.1 69.5%
Hauser 5.9 72.4%
Tatum 5.0 62.0%
White 4.2 63.2%
Kornet 4.1 79.9%
Holiday 2.5 52.9%
Brown 0.7 56.0%

Death, Taxes, Jaylen Brown's advanced stats being terrible.

One dimensional, mediocre efficiency scorers just aren't that valuable. You'd have to argue that he's far more valuable than his box score stats suggest, but there you have an even bigger problem. Long term RAPM data suggests he's maybe the 100th best player in the league. These are two completely independent metrics agreeing here. You have the boxscore metric which is saying he's not that valuable, and you have the pure plus minus metric also saying he's not that valuable.

Did Boston make a huge mistake signing him to a $300M deal?

Prior ranks on the team in BPM

2023: 6th

2022: 7th

2021: 3rd

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[–] FinanciallySpiritual@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Jaylen leaving Boston after this year for a less racist city is the worst kept secret in the league. he already secured the bag

[–] CamReddish@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

yes we know hes overpaid... but bpm isnt the way to show it lol

[–] junkit33@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

BPM is a bad stat.

Jaylen is fine. He was always the guy that was going to take the biggest hit statistically with the addition of Porzingis. It's not like he's playing bad.

[–] ColonelWKurtz@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Jaylen is not fine. He’s come back this season with the same deficiencies. Never mind advanced stats he still can’t go left and turns the ball over

[–] Necessary-Visit-4644@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

You're not watching the Celtics I guess. He's going left a lot more. Been trash on defense tho

[–] Fedora_expert@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Letting him walk for nothing would have been a more colossal mistake. I think Jaylen is replaceable on this team, I also think his contract is tradable as he is just entering his prime and is still at the end of the day a 2-way all star wing, with his limitations.

[–] SportsLaughs@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Gonna sound memey but I like his role this season.

[–] FlyingMocko@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Time to blow it up then. GG Brad.

[–] banidiots@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

r/NBA in a nuttshell

"WhY aReNT TeAms LoyAL tO tHeIr pLaYeRs"

same guy

"lEt Me fInD AwAy tO tAlK sHiT aBOuT tHiS tEaM pAyInG their PlAYeR"

[–] aligreaper19@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

this means nothing

[–] WallOld615@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As we all know, BPM is the end all be all.

[–] bjb406@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Gotta love those "advanced" stats that take a bunch of arbitrary volume stats and make an ambiguously defined formula to add and/or multiply them together in a way that the guy that came up with it "says" is meaningful because... reasons.

[–] GeoffSproke@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Spot on. They should've given Kornet that 300 million, just the advanced metrics suggest.

[–] LoWE11053211@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Tatum is also having a lower bpm than hauser

so......

[–] mickeyj623@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

If you really think he's the 100th best player in the league, then idk what to tell you.

[–] MyPhillyAccent@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

You thought trading Jaylen + 2 1sts for Dame was a great idea.

You're just hating. FOH.

[–] bjb406@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago
[–] dafire123@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago
[–] DrownedInBeans@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

People love to mention Jaylen Brown being overpaid so far this season but his salary is $25M this season, definitely a great bargain. If you want to argue he's overpaid next year when his new contract actually kicks in, go for it. But his contract is a really good value this season no matter what his advanced stats say (and I say this as a huge Jaylen Brown critic).

And even if he is a bit overpaid while he's on his $300M contract, as long as he is healthy/available (as healthy as he's been so far in his career) it will never be a boat anchor contract or one of the worst contracts in the league. He is still a positive player. Even if he's a little overpaid that's not a bad contract. The bad contracts are when you tie up a bunch of cap space in a negative/useless player - usually a guy who can't stay on the floor due to injury.

[–] dntsteponmyrafsimons@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

The Ringer and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[–] archerarcher0@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

It appears Hauser is higher than tatum

So what exactly is this supposed to represent? If we are to believe jaylen is so bad because of his 8th in bpm, is Hauser better than tatum?

[–] TheCodeSamurai@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

It's important to remember what plus-minus stats actually measure. Box score versions measure your, well, box score, which is a lot more about shooting luck at this point in the season than anything else. Clearly Tatum is the 3rd best player on the team, right?

RAPM or EPM measure how good you are on your specific team in the mostly regular season minutes they play with and without you. Brown is not on a team that maximizes his potential, and especially as the Celtics have added more and more scoring his tools aren't necessarily being put to amazing use in the regular season. You don't need to take midrange shots if your offense is consistently getting great looks elsewhere on the floor. Players like Hauser and White can take better advantage of the advantages the Celtics get playing against teams that can't really stop them. You see the same thing for 3-and-D players on other really good teams: Mikal Bridges was an analytics darling for the Suns playoff runs.

How much does not being as efficiently dominant when your team has a +10 net rating as other players matter? It doesn't. It's a good thing to have players with underutilized talents in the regular season. I'm sure the Nuggets would love to have Jokic's numbers get worse, if it means that their non-Jokic lineups are better. Everyone on the Celtics is sacrificing their own stats right now, JB perhaps more than anyone, to win games and prepare for the playoffs.

In the playoffs, as defenses lock in and scoring gets tougher, you won't be able to feed the bigs dunks or feed the shooters with a ton of open looks. Who's gonna take advantage of the spacing and be able to score against the elite defenders in the postseason? IDK, maybe the guy who was the best player in the Finals for the Celtics. The guy who regularly plays against the opposing teams' best or second-best defender. The guy who can score from anywhere and has the physical tools to lock in on defense.