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these arrogant assholes.
just like movies and TV, the waning interest in the franchise is only because you keep making shitty games with it.
If you people start making GOOD star wars stuff again, we WILL eat it up.
Andor is an example of excellent Star Wars content that people want to see. They just produced crap.
I actually strongly disagree.
Andor was an example of actually telling a new story. Yes, people were eager to know who Cassian was. But If you had polled the entire Star Wars fanbase, like five of us would have said "Oh, I want a deeply political story with a massive focus on social justice that heavily focuses on a politician and a spymaster's daughter. Also, hold back zero punches about the kind of people who would spearhead a rebellion. Like, how crazy can Forrest go?". And we would have fully admitted we were on our bullshit.
Which was basically the problem with Outlaws. Everyone has been asking for a Han Solo game since people realized a Star Wars Pacman could be a thing. And you need to go REAL hard to make that live up to people's expectations.
Which, getting back to Andor: I would go so far as to say everything up until The Prison is REALLY rough. You have moments of brilliance (basically any time Skarsgard is on screen) but it spends too much time on a plot point it had already dropped and Cassian is kind of a mary sue. But we were enthralled because this was something NEW (well, less so if you have ever read a political thriller but... Star Wars!). And once it found its legs... it was painful beauty in all the best ways.
And, to go back to "It is a Han Solo game" or "It is a Jedi knight but not a Jedi Knight" and so forth? It doesn't take much to realize "I have seen this story a million times" and wander off. Like, I know I basically did that once I heard there were insta-fail stealth sections (although I generally try to not give Ubi money to begin with). Same with Ginger McBoring Face Survivor. It had an interesting hook (I LOVED Dark Times and Dass Jennir) and the gameplay was fine but when it came time to come back for seconds it was just "Eh, I'm good".
Nah. We need more Star Wars that people don't KNOW they want to see. Not just the tired crap that an exec would think was gold.
I think you guys are saying the same thing. People want to see something they haven't seen before, even in the star wars universe.
I would have been one of those five people. I've always wanted adult Star Wars, and Andor finally gave it to me.
everything up until The Prison is REALLY rough.
I'm very curious why you think the Aldhani raid was rough. Also, season 2 is already done, and I think it in some ways surpasses season 1. Have you seen it?
Personally I'm pretty tired of Star wars, every entertainment product doesn't need to belong to a Disney franchise
Same, all the Star Wars slop Disney has churned out has completely washed any lingering magic out of the fabric of the franchise for me. I don't even feel the desire to watch supposedly good Star Wars products like Andor these days.
Yeah, the Baby Yoda Show was its last dying gasp for me. I see the same pattern in most industries: something is profitable, so lean hard into it until the bubble bursts. It's great for short-term profits but bad for long term and worse overall. I'm not particularly intelligent or educated in business but even I can see this is a terrible strategy.
Unpopular Opinion: The Yuuzhan Vong Invasion would've been better than the Sequel Trilogy.
Seeing that business with Ithor on the big screen would've been great.
Anything with a cohesive narrative would have been better than the sequel trilogy, including Dark Empire. Hell, Abrams did Dark Empire anyway, he just compressed it into a single film along with ESB and ROTJ because he's never had a single original idea about Star Wars.
IMHO, J.J. Abrams should not be allowed to touch any scriptwriting duties ever. He is not a bad director, but he doesn't seem to give a shit about the internal logic of the script if it comes in conflict with the "cool ideas" he has.
His two Star Trek films were perfect examples of this fallacy, as was the last and worst Star Wars film. With Star Trek he kinda butchered the heart of the franchise - the point of using starships to explore - with "Oh, the transporter can now beam stuff over interplanetary and interstellar distances, because it will be so awesome and less time consuming!"
Yes, it's science fiction and suspension of disbelief is required to fully enjoy it, but it is possible to obey the decades old in-universe rules and still write an enticing storyline if you put a little effort in it. Sad model example of lazy writing.
Of course the fault is not all his, the other producers should have stopped his stupid ideas but chose not to. Still, ROS was so bad that the guy should have been blacklisted for life.
There is waning interest in Star Wars franchise. And Assassin's Creed franchise. And Far Cry Franchise. Hmmm, there seems to be a pattern here...
Meanwhile games like Marvel Rivals are doing great.
Conclusion: People are only interested in live-service games and we're not pumping out our slop fast enough!
Wasn't AC Shadows one of their best selling games? People still like Ubisoft games despite what people here want to believe. AC and FC fans play them precisely because they don't rock the boat too much, you get what you expect with these games. The problem is that Star Wars fans probably aren't looking for the same fix that Ubisoft's usual audience is looking for.
Are any of the Far Cry's remarkable? Not particularly but it's a good co-op game where I can mess around with a friend and shoot the shit with. And it consistently gives me a good experience if that's what I'm looking for.
I thought the game looked ok, but why would I pay $70 for a game that can disappear from my library whenever Ubisoft feels like it? They've demonstrated that they're willing to permanently take games away from paying customers, so I'm not willing to spend more than the cost of a rental on one of their games.
Not waning interest in Ubisoft?
Because, ooh boy, did my interest in Ubisoft wane year after year of overproduced cookie cutter crap. And I'm not expecting a change of phase.
Also, Guillemot, you're talking publicly a lot for someone with (now convicted) sexual harrasser friends you've protected all of your career.
I don’t know how it has taken people so long to realize something I realized around AssCreed3, that all Ubisoft does is release the same game with a different skin over and over again.
Waning interest in Ubisoft. Everything they touch is painfully generic and uninteresting. On top of that, they infect the games with Denuvo malware while charging top dollar. But sure, blame the consumers for your lack of vision, passion, business sense, and technical acumen. See how that pays off, Yves.
It just boggles my mind how execs can learn the wrong lesson 100% of the time. It seems impossible.
Regardless, they keep canning games like 1313 that get fans hyped and give us generic trash instead.
Oh, he 100% knows the truth. He just can't say it since admitting it's Ubisoft's fault would lower investor confidence (and therefore affect his personal wealth). This is the standard "blame our failures on market forces outside our control" move that all CEOs of publicly-traded are forced to do.
The stock market was a mistake.
A) And yet, not long after, Andor was massively successful.
B) Then stop making games exclusively based off of third party IPs.
The game looked quite generic to me. As someone who's not deep into Star Wars, the titular character looked more like 70s mom than space adventure. And the gameplay also looked like they just slapped yet another texture pack onto something I've seen a thousand times already.
So, I don't see why you'd buy this game in particular, unless you do a lot of gaming or a lot of Star Wars. I imagine, they missed out on most sales towards the more casual crowd.
titular character looked more like 70s mom than space adventure
So more like star wars inlaws than outlaws?
I love Star Wars and usually have a half decent time with Ubi games. You can usually pick them up for 50% off physical like a month after release.
I have never put down a game quicker than Outlaws. It’s Ubisoft open world map icon slop at its worst. The first 4 hours of story are boring and repetitive. Every mission was “sneak into an Imperial base, oh shit something went wrong! Now escape!” Progression and abilities might as well not be there.
Interest in SW isn’t waning. Companies keep making bad SW content.
This statement in the same week as Yves installs his son as Co-CEO in charge of their biggest franchises. A man who entered the industry as a CEO of a mobile company and then founded a AI/NFT/crypto game company that is being liquidated now.
Pure nepotism. The Guillemont family is the parasite that is killing Ubisoft.
If they would've stuck with the old 'gritty' Star Wars game that was supposed to be like GTA style adult oriented Star Wars instead of this stupid shit. It would have been massively successful.
There is a waning interest, but it wasn't the singular reason the game flopped. It's because it was a painfully mediocre game at an extremely inflated price.
Mass-produced corporate sludge like Outlaws is exactly why interest is waning. It sucks the soul out of the franchise and makes people lose interest.
Did Guillemot not hear about Andor? The costs of a Disney Plus subscription vs a $70 game aside, that show respected the viewer's time and intelligence in all the ways Outlaws didn't. But I'm not surprised the heads of Ubisoft lack basic retrospection. Regurgitating past successes is all they know how to do, and how could they be wrong? Must be the rest of the world. :/
Make boring shit, get no love from the community. It's as easy as that.
I think the turnoff for me was they wanted like $90 or something. No thanks.
Same here. It actually looks decent. But I'm in no hurry. I'll wait on it until the ultimate edition is $20 and it's been patched up.
Idk, I liked Jedi: Survivor even though that one was EA.
I actually really liked this game.
This was another, though, that launched with a bunch of bugs on pc. And while I didn’t run into a ton on PS5, the game crashed for me here or there. And that sucks.
But I played and beat this game. And I quite enjoyed it. But I wouldn’t say it’s a masterpiece or anything.
What? I thought Ubisoft was saying sales were really strong and how Outlaws was such a big success?
I'm going to guess this is the exact same case with Assassins Creed. An AC game set in feudal Japan should have been a Grand Slam. Literally everyone wanted it. But leave it up to Ubisoft to find ways to make money from a printer drop right into the shredder.
It's more than just bugs and "blandness." Clearly people aren't buying what Ubisoft is making, and they keep changing stuff but none of the things they change are the reasons people aren't buying their games. It is crazy to me that executives continue to learn the wrong lesson from failed games 100% of the time. And then they ignore gamers when we straight up tell them what they should have changed. Crazy.
Classic skill issue
It's been like 4-5 years since I've purchased a Ubisoft game. There's too many games out there to be spending money on a trash publishers games. Along with how slp on the wrist it seemed with their workplace sexual harassment/bullying/assault, always remember that they pioneered always online DRM for single player games. They've been a trash company publicly for almost 20 years. Culturally probably longer
I tried it in May/June and it was very meh. At the start I had an urge to play it, but after a day or two I had no urge to open it. A lot of it felt repetitive to a point of why bother.
I loved the acolyte and was sad to hear it was cancelled. Jason Mendoza, a badass sith? Sign me up!
