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Who played better on Sunday night, Josh Allen or Tim Boyle? According to QBR, you're wrong. (alien.top)

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This has to be one of the bigger head scratching stats I have seen in a while. I was looking at the Jets Bills box score and the QBR numbers caught my eye.

Tim Boyle 7/14 33yds 0TD 1INT 1 Sack 1rush attempt for 1 yard QBR 50.2

50% completion, NFL avg 64.9%

2.4 yard/attempt average, the NFL avg is 7.0

4.7 yards per completion, NFL average is 10.8

So I decided to grab every QBR rating for Sunday(and Passer Rating to keep us all grounded in reality).

That legendary Tim Boyle performance you witnessed, according to QBR, was the 13th best qb performance on Sunday.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401547543

QBR loves Tim Boyle

Tim Boyle for Joe Burrow? Let me think about it

Tim Boyle for Josh Allen? Maybe if you throw in a 3rd round pick.

Tim Boyle for C.J. Stroud? C.J. Stround and who else?

Tim Boyle for Tua Tagovailoa? If you toss in a 1st rounder we can talk.

Tim Boyle for Russell Wilson? Hang up the phone scoffing at the unmitigated gall for even calling me.

Whew, thank you QBR for keeping me from looking like a complete idiot as a NFL GM.

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[–] fancyskank@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

What is so different between QBR and passer rating that Brock Purdy's stats can have THAT big of a gap?

[–] hot-sauce-950@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

One game sample size truly is the only evidence we need…..

[–] Dicey12@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

QBR hates Russ

[–] CaillouCaribou@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

You have too much time on your hands

[–] DanCampbellsNipples@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

QBR is worthless. Why do people give it so much attention? This just proves how stupid of a "stat" that it is.

[–] gmb96@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

QBR was effectively ESPN seeing what PFF does and saying “I want that” and assigning an unpaid intern to come up with the calculation.

[–] EthanSpears@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It's literally just sample size. QBR isn't that great anyway...

[–] spammusubi0808@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

ESPN once had a two INT Charlie Batch game as its best game under QBR. Then they went back and fixed their model.

[–] invaluableimp@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

We have to rescue sports from analytics

[–] calye2da@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

O’Boyle rules!

[–] ZachTrillson@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

we're winning the fucking super bowl you pieces of shit

[–] soupcansam21@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

the math ain't mathing

[–] BirdLaw_@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Am I still wrong if I inexplicably think Tim Boyle is better than Josh Allen

[–] PigSlam@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Is it inexplicable if you have QBR stats to explain it?

[–] IWasRightOnce@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Wait, what?

Isn’t QBR specifically designed to devalue certain plays (like Allen’s end of half INT)?

How did he end up with such a bad QBR?

[–] DiggingNoMore@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Per QBR, Charlie Batch had the best game ever, when he threw for 186 yards and two interceptions.

[–] sarcastaballll@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This is why the only people who care about QBR are dak Prescott truthers

[–] Thehawkiscock@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I don't really understand this one but I still think QBR is a great comprehensive stat. Smaller samples are more subject to weird stuff of course.

In this particular case, I think every Tim Boyle play was meaningless due to the team being down by multiple touchdowns, so his QBR stayed close to baseline?