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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, it usurped feudalism, and it socialized & developed the productive forces, thus making industrial socialism possible.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

On the other hand, it turns out that revolutions were possible in countries like Russia and China that haven't yet made a full transition to industrial capitalism.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Good point. And China has taken advantage of capitalism’s better features than the USSR did, to good effect.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago
[–] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Usurped feudalism? Nah, it really didn't. It just changed it to something like it, but far worse.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Both capitalism and feudalism are class societies, but the conditions of industrialization accelerated by capitalism have dramatically improved on feudal squalor. Life expectancy has dramatically improved the world over, and the conditions for collective ownership and planning are possible because capitalism paved the way for it.

Capitalism has come with its own atrocities, and in many ways workers are less obviously exploited but to an even greater degree, but is still a historical stepping stone as a progressive movement from feudalism, that which will be usurped by socialism.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It works for the people it's supposed to work for. The problem is there's only about 5 of them and they enslave the world.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago

They would've enslaved the world if China didn't exist.

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Unless Gemini missed any, my count is 4: the Srebrenica genocide in Bosnia (1995), the Darfur genocide in Sudan (starting 2003), mass killings of Hutus during the First Congo War (1996-1997) and the ongoing eradication of Palestinians in Palestine (starting 1948). The observant would recognise that this makes me 30, as the Rwandan genocide was months before my birth

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget about the Rohingya.

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org -2 points 2 months ago

Or about Xinjiang and it's uyger people

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 months ago

Maya Genocide in Guatemala seems to have lasted until 1996

[–] Dialectical_Idealist@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 months ago