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I’m back in the states for holidays but this time it was such a shock to realize everything looks so old, like from the airport to the convenience stores, malls, gas stations, etc. Why does everything look like it hasn’t changed from the 90s? And I was out just for a couple of months but things look newer and shinier in Panama and El Salvador compared to here. I cannot even imagine what some of you coming back from east Asia must feel. Did our country peak in the 90s and other countries are going through their renaissance? I love the convenience of the US where everything is open 24 hrs and you can get things delivered to your door basically overnight if you pay the price but I feel like we’re stuck with very old and boring infrastructure, makes me feel almost the same way I felt when I went to eastern Europe

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[–] smurfsm00@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It looks old because it is old. Republicans. Waddaya gonna do?

[–] Away_Situation2729@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The US is very good at building and maintaining structures, so they usually last hundreds of years and only need periodic major updates.

Other countries have buildings that they don’t maintain and are falling apart in 30 years. Not many of their buildings are over 100 years old and stuff like tile and such needs replaced sooner due to lack of building standards

[–] X_Comanche_Moon@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Because it hasn’t because remodeling doesn’t create profits

[–] mistakeswere@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

trillion dollars spent on the wars in iraq and afghanistan instead of local infrastructure

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[–] backpackerdeveloper@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I feel like US is spending too much on its military and foreign affairs. Imagine all those billions spent on infrastructure instead. I was kinda shocked when I moved here, like you said, highways, public transport (in Chciago for example) looks like it's collapsing. Ill never get why "America first" was considered racist in any way. It is exactly what this country needs.

[–] CurlysGold@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I remember coming home to NYC from Kyiv and the drive from JFK to Manhattan was just as bleak as the outskirts of Kyiv. How is the biggest city in the US so dilapidated and awful? The subway system looks like the set of Saw V. Not sure where the money goes in local and federal gov but can safely say it isn't infrastructure.

[–] spream@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I think you’d find Ray Dalio’s thoughts on the fall of the American Empire interesting

[–] zhongomer@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

You are comparing the city center facade of shiny cities that barely even had electricity 30 years ago, to shitty parts of the US like Detroit.

If you were to actually live and integrate in the countries where you think everything is great and shiny, you would understand that that only applies to the tourist-friendly city center that you have explored and that outside of it, things are bad and third world.

It is like a Japanese tourist from the countryside going to Manhattan and never going out of it or seeing society’s problems, saying that buildings are so much taller in the US compared to Japan.

[–] Viktri1@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

US hasn’t upgraded its infrastructure in decades and it’s expensive to do so meaning a small amount gets done when it actually is upgraded

[–] stpauliguy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The third world is catching up quickly, yes. And when building they have the advantages of green fields and generally cheaper labor. I just returned from Punta Cana and was really impressed by their new airport: wide floors covered with polished limestone, brightly lit, with plenty of art and seating and power outlets and conditioned air.

I returned to my home airport, which has also begun a multi-year refurbishment. It will be much nicer, eventually, but we’ll have to live with the dust during the refurbishment.

I think it has to do with the “surprise effect”. You go somewhere new, and see all these cool new places for the first time. Surprise! Then you come home to the boring things in which you’ve lived your whole life. It’s much more expensive to redevelop property in the US, but it does happen. Look at the new airport at LGA…stunning and innovative, and totally redeveloped in 6 years. Anything is possible with the right motivation and financial resources.

COVID and remote working have handed us a once-in-a-century chance to rebuild our downtown spaces and give them fresh, innovative updates. Make them spaces where people want to live and work and play. It will take time and hundreds of billions of dollars. But we have all the resources, we just need the ideas and the willpower.

[–] AlreadyTakenNow@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It depends on what parts you go to. Some cities look very up-to-date, and some towns? Some towns look like they are still stuck in the 60s-80s. It's very sad to see.

[–] morosco@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Where in particular? It's a pretty big country. It doesn't "look" any one way.

Because our politicians launder our tax dollars in those other countries

[–] rarsamx@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

US culture has swong even harder to the right, where taxes and public services are seen as a bad thing. It is "each for their own". That is reflected in the infrastructure and common areas.

So, it is either a bad thing, if you are used to a different kind of society, or a good thing if you prefer low taxes.

Bc it’s old

We’re just an inferior country. We will try harder to live up to your high standards.

[–] istheworldadream@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Haha America is one messed up country lol. In the same city you can have state of the art buildings and services and also 3rd world country housing and bridges and shit

It’s hilarious and that’s why America is so great. Because it’s so messed up.

[–] newmes@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Dunno where you went in Panama but everything there looks old/grey to me. Nice parts of USA look 100x better. Perhaps you're in a not-so-nice part of USA?

[–] Artistic-Trip3243@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Same in Canada....

[–] Choppermagic@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Democrats give away all the to Ukraine

[–] edogg01@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

You must be shrooming.

[–] rubey419@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Funny you say that. Europe is way older than United States. Europeans like to joke our cities are young.

[–] Icy_Tea7328@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Because the US is a great place to be rich, not for everyone else.

[–] harmlessgrey@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Poor governance. The US lacks sensible leadership. Other countries invest in infrastructure and social programs that benefit their citizens.

However, this is also why taxes are so low in the US.

[–] JKBFree@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Kinda funny saying an ENTIRE country looks drabby or super clean?

Then again, i havent exactly seen all 50 states all at once.

[–] DearSail7885@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

We did everything that shitter countries are doing now 100 years ago (literally). China's train stations will look very dated in 50 years too

[–] revolutionPanda@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Coming back from Asia to certain parts of the US feels like I'm going back in time to a much poorer, undeveloped country.

[–] OaklandsVeryOwn@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It really depends on where you are. We’re visiting my great aunt who retired to a town near Austin for the holidays from NYC and EVERYTHING is new.

Granted, “everything” is just 6 Walmarts, a massive H‑E‑B, a Super Target and 31 gas stations…but still, it’s new!

[–] blaze1234@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

We are well into our Decline and Fall, most just barely scraping by

[–] Aromatic_Use6916@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
[–] yyc_engineer@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Infrastructure cost money. If it ain't broken.. don't fix it.

[–] ak80048@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Have you been to the Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta airport it’s brand spanking new

[–] DestinTheLion@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Nyc is pretty awesome. New Orleans has charm too

[–] JahMusicMan@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

If you want an area with an updated sleek look, go live in Dubai.

That's some shitty city I'll never visit because it looks like d-bag city with no character and have zero interest in any type of shitty culture they breed.

[–] Chicken-n-Biscuits@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This whole thread is odd. Gas stations aren’t critical infrastructure. The fanciness of airports aren’t critical infrastructure. Focusing on the shine (or lack thereof) rather than the complexity of the underlying systems and overall functionality misses the point of what the infrastructure accomplishes.

[–] Tiny-Tie-7427@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Because here: short term profit > long term profit

[–] edogg01@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Republicans. They've been blocking infrastructure spending for years. They even vote against infrastructure spending and then TAKE CREDIT for improvements in their districts/states. Republicans are why we can't have nice things.

[–] loveja22@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Because the money is going to fund wars. Non-stop wars or funding foreign countries like Ukraine and Israel. For example, Israel receives at least 3 billions every single year. Imagine if this money is spent on infrastructure and the well-being of the taxpayers. who controls and runs the US?

[–] Stiltzkinn@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

You are going to trigger some U.S. nomads here.

[–] SnuffyButter@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Yes. Even when I lived in another state for 6 years, I came back to my home town and realized nothing had changed…..at all. No renovations, no new buildings, all the businesses were the same. Pretty sad, made me instantly depressed.

[–] cheapmondaay@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I don’t think US infrastructure looks “old” but I think the most dated things I notice in the US when travelling there are the hotels. I travel to the States about 4-6 times a year and always notice that mid-tier chain hotels like Marriotts or Hiltons in large cities look like they haven’t had their interiors updated since the mid-90s. And you pay $200-300 USD a night for that. Not a big deal but just surprising, I guess.

[–] ComprehensiveYam@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Kind of a first mover problem. A lot of infrastructure was built 30-50 years ago. It’s barely maintained and rarely upgraded.

Other places like Asia and Europe heavily invest in public infrastructure regularly.

An example of this is internet service. Like 10-15 years ago, Thailand had pretty terrible internet speeds. Now bare minimum speeds are like 500mbs and all cellular coverage is 5G and similarly as fast. This is like $20 a month for home internet and similar for your cell plan. In the US, we have stupid regulations that keep from real competition in internet services and cellular services so we’re stuck with much more expensive and much slower speeds

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