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[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 267 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Firefox release notes: we improved the privacy of our browser

Chrome release notes: fuck you and fuck your fucking adblock

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 54 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Clarity is needed here. The California language that sparked all this is qualified with "about FakeSpot's products and services". Meaning it could simply be third-party services that they send their own emails through.

After reading their privacy policy, nothing jumps out at me that contradicts this.

To be clear, I'm not a fan of the extension's collection practices, but the down votes could be because this may be unwarranted fear.

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Unwarranted fear or healthy skepticism? This is the perfect time to “just ask questions.” Firefox is selling itself as a privacy respecting platform and therefore should be held to a higher standard than the garbage that is chrome. If it can pass the test it will be proven again and earn more trust which should result in more users, if it fails then it deserves to be criticised and lose users. Point is if you are selling yourself as privacy respecting you are selling yourself by default as ethical.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

100% agree. I wasn't trying to say the collection practice isn't bad, just that the other linked threads may be taking things a bit farther than what the policy actually says.

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ok. It’s things like this where the detail matters so thank you

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[–] LWD@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)
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[–] preasket@lemy.lol 98 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Firefox's been killing it recently

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully between Firefox's recent streak of good releases and Google majorly jumping the shark lately we'll see Chrome marketshare take a dive.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
[–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Cloudflare says 4.7%. I trust them more with these statistics because

  • they serve a significant chunk of the internet
  • they collect data serverside and I'm pretty sure more people block tracking scripts than change their user agent

But yes, it's way too small

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Eh, I'm ok with it being small. You get targeted by fewer exploits if you're using a browser that isn't high in market share. There's also less incentive to try to monetize their market share than when it's very popular.

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

Just crazy to me that Firefox is that low I really hope they can rebound. Chrome's strangehold on browser engines is bad for everyone.

[–] rem26_art@kbin.social 98 points 10 months ago (3 children)

oooh the Copy Link without Site Tracking feature looks like it would be pretty useful

Wish you could just set that as default.

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[–] LWD@lemm.ee 51 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
[–] LedgeDrop@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for the comprehensive write-up. It convinced me to migrate back to Firefox.

I was on Firefox (8 years ago), moved to Chrome (I liked the non-admin/transparent update feature and Websites didn't break like they did with ff), then moved to brave (basically chrome + more privacy), and now I'll go back the Firefox (I hope I won't encounter too many non-FF websites)

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)
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[–] PlexSheep@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago

I always use do not track. If they fingerprint me with that, they are explicitly disregarding it. It obviously gives moral superiority.

[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (12 children)

It's a real shame industry doesn't embrace firefox. There's far too many things i rely on which only runs on chromium.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago
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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thank you old friend. Sorry I've been gone for so long.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

TFW sense of superiority knowing I started using firefox since late 2000s and never once abandoned it.

[–] Amilo159@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Firefox needs to chill on the version numbers

[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Blame Chrome for ruining versioning

[–] gramathy@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Honestly I think this is more on Apple for using “os x” for two decades

[–] deeznutz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Blame users for not understanding semantic versioning and just wanting a bigger number.

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Version numbers are almost meaningless for end-user software anyway. Add 1 every time it changes is about the best you can do.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

no, I'm looking forward to firefox 420 in 2048

[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nvidia needs to chill on the version numbers, their graphics driver is currently at version 537 lol

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[–] ViscloReader@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I think it's alright, sure it's not conventional but you get the point after all and non techy people also get the point. bigger number = highest update

[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

We need the TL;DR bot

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I know this won't affect LibreWolf immediately but can anyone speculate as to how or when the Firefox updates would affect LibreWolf, if at all?

I switched from FF to LW recently so I'm just curious what the relationship(s) might be.

ETA: Another question: How do I update LW without the LW updater? Uninstall and reinstall? Thanks!

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[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 10 months ago

waiting mozilla release its gecko webview and site isolation on mobile browser

[–] sviper@programming.dev 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Firefox is good privacy wise, but does not have sensible default. Also there have been times when mozilla have made not so promising statements.

For true privacy enthusiasts see See LibreWolf

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Agree, I recently checked further after seeing "sponsored" icons in my new tab page. Had to turn that off. I understand why it's on by default, it's just not congruent with privacy.

[–] InfiniWheel@lemmy.one 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'd say thats less a matter of privacy since it doesn't reveal anything to the "sponsors". More like bloat? Honestly can't find the exact for rn

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