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So I ended up in a very unique situation and am not sure how to go about this. A new photographer that I met invited me to a styled shoot at a wedding venue. Long story short, she pitched things differently and when she laid out the plans less than a week before, the timeline and specifics were a lot more demanding than initially pitched. This was an unpaid shoot, but I decided to go regardless for content for my portfolio.

When I got there, a ton of vendors backed out at the last minute and everything was very disorganized. We shot the same photos together and both came up with posing ideas.

We both delivered our photos to the vendors separately, and some of them are tagging us on Instagram. I found out she’s been messaging them and telling them not to tag us both so people don’t confuse my photos for hers. She also made a post saying how she was the main photographer of the event and I “helped out.” She 100% organized the event but I felt a little insulted at the main comment since this was pitched as an equal opportunity and I did not feel like I was her assistant during the shoot. At this point, I don’t understand why she even invited me to this.

Now the venue owner shared my photos on Instagram and tagged only her (and none of the photos shared were hers). The photos were definitely mine because even though we took the same shots, she used different equipment (she doesn’t even own a flash, she used the one built into the camera so the lighting alone is a dead giveaway) and has a completely different editing style.

I don’t want to look like the petty one since she’s clearly trying to make sure she gets all the credit for this, but should I reach out to the venue and let them know that the photos they shared are mine? I don’t want to hurt my business’s image and am wondering if I should just let this go, but I do think I deserve credit where it is due.

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[–] immoralmajority@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I would definitely ask the venue to change the tag on the photos they shared. If nothing else, just so someone who uses the pop up flash on their camera doesn't get credit for my work.

[–] Conscious-Music3264@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Did you get good content for your portfolio? If so, mission accomplished.

When you shared your images with vendors and the venue owner, did you set any terms of use in a contract or did you just give them your images? It's reasonable to expect a credit as photographer when your images are shared online but if you didn't require this in a signed contract in advance then it sounds like you should just put this down as a lesson to communicate better and more formally in future and move on.

[–] mrfixitx@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Do you have your own photography business?

Since you agreed to help a friend for free and it sounds like had no contract it seems more like you are just getting started or do not have your own established business.

Perhaps she could have described you as a 2nd shooter instead of a helper. Since it was her gig it and she asked you to help after she already had job it is fair for her to call herself the primary photographer. She was the one the venue contracted with and it is on her if the client is unhappy with the work regardless of who was behind the camera.

Perhaps it is different in your area or my experiences are not typical. But locally wedding photographers and studios that have more than 1 person working for them none of their photos call out who was behind the camera. It is all under the business name which could also be the primary photographer/businesses name.

Personally I would let it go and take it as lessons learned and moved on. Is it worth potentially hurting your friends reputation with the venue over it or your relationship with your friend?

[–] lycosa13@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I would reach out to the vendor. There's nothing that says they can't tag the other photographer for organizing the shoot but also acknowledge that they are YOUR photos. I also think a lot of people in this thread don't know what a "styled shoot" is. You weren't a second shooter at a wedding, she invited you along to the shoot. Like a collaborative shoot. I've organized group shoots before and I wouldn't take credit for the work of other photographers, that's just crazy

[–] mofozd@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Live and Learn, next time be very clear how things need to be published. Talk in person to the other photographer and be clear as to why you feel screwed over.

[–] shoscene@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you were the 2nd photographer (helper) then you are not the main photographer and, normally, will not get credit. It's business

[–] yenyostolt@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago
[–] azUS1234@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Here is the thing, when you do work for another company (photographer in this case) you often are surrendering credit for the work to them in situations like this.

Your goal was to get content for your portfolio, if you did that just be happy and move on with life. You start making a big deal out of that with the venue it can cause you larger issues (say the venue may just blacklist both of you because of "drama")

Yes it sucks they did that to you but if it is not something that is directly costing you money it is not worth the effort.

Take the life lessons, if you work with others in the future make sure that you have clarity (in writing is often important) on everything related to the transaction. This includes things like "who gets credit" for the photos provided etc... Just remember that when working for someone else you often will be sacrificing professional credit for the pay check, especially if you are hired freelance as a second photographer at an event.

It is not uncommon, at least where I am, that if you are hired as a second photographer for something like a venue / wedding shoot; you are not going to be named with any credit. I in fact have a short form contract that covers just this that I would use if hiring someone in a case like this (basically says that all photographs taken at that event are my property, I own the copyright and publication rights to them). To be honest this is important because I was hired and need to have the legal ownership of the work in order to be able to sell it to those who hired me for the work.

The people putting on the event hired X photographer / company and if you are hired (paid or unpaid) to be a second photographer then you are representing the company that was hired and you should expect that they are taking full credit for the work produced. Often photographers operated under their own name in the trade so you can expect this to happen. But any actual professional photographer will have contracts / agreements regarding these types of things and make it clear up front.

If you don't like that, make sure you are clear upfront and in writing that you need to be given credit or don't take the job.

[–] tampawn@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

^^^ This is so true.

It really is best to just move on. Use your photos in your portfolio and probably avoid working for/with her ever again. Your life and career will be much smoother if you work with people that do what they say and say what they'll do.

She screwed up...does she know she did and told you? If not...it would happen again with her.

I worked 5 weddings unpaid before I did my own, and the experience was worth it not just for how to shoot the wedding but for how to run your own photo business with integrity.

[–] MountainWeddingTog@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

This was a styled shoot...

[–] yenyostolt@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I am part of a group who collab regularly, with 2 or 3 photographers, a MUA and 1 or 2 assistants and a model. Everyone gets tagged in every image posted. The creator of the image first, then the MUA, then the model, then the collab photographers, then the assistants.

It is beyond rude to not credit you for your images and is stealing imo.

[–] Pull-Mai-Fingr@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The photographer who made an image should be the one tagged. I have always heard bad experiences from friends that participated in styled shoots.

[–] casuallyreddit@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This was my first official styled shoot, but a lot of my photographer friends in the wedding industry have attended others in the past and always said good things. This one was free but some of them in my city have a $150 fee, which I think is ridiculous.

[–] Pull-Mai-Fingr@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The reason they charge now js because they figured out that noobies are willing to pay in order to create a portfolio of work that is nothing like what they can actually create in the real world.

[–] Particular-Space0@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Don't shoot for free.

[–] Seven_ironRocks@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

If you don’t say anything to either the venue or the person taking credit for your images and then use the images you shot in your portfolio you run the risk of someone thinking that YOU are using images credited to this other person and that could bite you severely further down the line, if you are not gonna talk to the venue, vendors or the other person then you should never put those images in your portfolio, it could be very difficult to argue months from now if someone recognised an image in your portfolio if you use that to pitch for work from those vendors or venues that was previously credited to the other person (I’m purposely not calling her a photographer), my two cents is I’d definitely enlighten everyone to the fact that you were not tagged or credited with images you shot.