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[–] TheSlumpDog@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Surprised Matt didn’t add Everton to the headline somewhere

[–] TheConundrum98@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

not announced anything to improve the standard of refereeing

not even investing in grass roots refereeing to get young people into it, that's just an easy win... just repression repression repression and don't dare to criticize

[–] Kwajoch@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

not even investing in grass roots refereeing to get young people into it, that's just an easy win... just repression repression repression and don't dare to criticize

Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. They launched a new strategy for grassroots refereeing past July

https://www.thefa.com/news/2023/jul/27/new-referee-strategy

[–] yossigol@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Charles Dickens wrote about it in the 19th century. It's oppression coupled with repression, resulting in depression.

[–] garrymad-gm@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah investing in the lower levels of referring is the simplest thing they could do, but your right, just shutting down any criticism. While I mightn’t support the teams, I admire Arteta and Klopp for speaking out about the poor levels of officiating, the league has been won and lost on a single point and even goal difference before, so every goal, foul, point can be crucial, if not a league then maybe Europe, or even relegation, it needs changing

[–] MrAchilles@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

How about they work on improving the standards of referring?

[–] rob3rtisgod@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I get why they want to do this, but you can't say some criticism isn't deserved. Reffing has never been this bad or biased.

Literally different calls every day, constantly changing rules every week and let's not forget, literally for no fucking reason removing a goal scored. Refs aren't even doing the MINIMUM now, they pick and choose which rules. We saw it again in Liverpool and Toulouse. The ref stopped the game and went back when they realised they messed up, yet they couldn't do this for Liverpool spurs?

[–] jjw1998@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I’m torn. On the one hand there has to be some vehicle of accountability for referees, on the other publicly criticising them like this does not seem the way to do it, particularly when a lot of the issues with refereeing standards are getting them engaged at a grassroots level and having a culture where it is seen as normal for players or managers to criticise the referee in a premier league match inevitably creates the same culture for teenagers starting out at unders football. Refereeing standards are obviously an issue but a lot of the long term ways that can be fixed are worsened by having a culture where officials aren’t respected

[–] mbgraphx@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

North Korea much?

[–] Bigpapa42_2006@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

This is the solution! Consistency, accountability, better communication, more angles, better use of technology, removing conflicts of interest.... No. YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE. See, problem solved.

[–] ThereWillBeGoals@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I will say this about the FA. I take a lot more stock in what they have to say about referee abuse than I do the PGMOL. They need to consider the standard of refereeing at every level of the game and there is a huge problem with attracting referees to the sport. The PGMOL are just soft twats.

[–] Ainsley-Sorsby@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I can't decide if their doubling down on shutting down criticism is more embarassing than the fact that they keep feeding all this embarassing exclusives to the Daily Mail

[–] AgentTasker@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Maybe there'd be less criticising of the referees if they were doing a much better job than currently are, and not having massive fuck-ups every week.

[–] LockIllustrious4789@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

If they announced this along with at least some guidelines of what they would plan to do to improve the refereeing then I would be fine with this.

But just using some managers interviews to crack down on them and clubs for daring to question the refs further screams of protecting the 'boys club'. That's what is most frustrating about this.

I would argue that the abuse will actually increase, because clubs and players will feel that referees don't want to be transparent. This encourages them and fans to think that refs are out to get their respective clubs. Everyone loses at that point.

[–] FuckingMyselfDaily@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

If i was a club owner and my manager was getting fines for complaining about how awful the refereeing was I’d just reimburse him lol

[–] AlloyedRhodochrosite@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I work as a teacher. Gaining the respect and regulating the behaviour of rowdy students is something I have to do all the time. I wonder how I would fare if I approached rowdy students like the referees approach managers this year. You have a legitimate complaint? Straight to the principal, my friend. You are angry because someone wronged you? Well, fuck you I'll call your mom.

Don't think this approach where they dole out consequences for every petty interaction is helping their case. Especially since it's impossible for them to be consistent.

[–] SirNukeSquad@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You studied pedagogy and work with children in a relatively private setting.

Referees manage overpaid adult cunts who spend 90 minutes deceiving and tricking the ref into wrong decisions in front of millions of viewers.

This analogy doesn't work and it will never work.

[–] severedfragile@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Because children don't try to deceive or manipulate their teachers? There's no perfect analogy, but the point is about the authority figure needing some level of accountability and rapport with the people they preside over, and how these measures represent the opposite of that.

[–] patmxn@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

If refereeing is so easy like everyone seems to think it is, then I do wonder why they don’t just become referees?

[–] Setter_sws@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Aww I was hoping that they would announce that they decided to pay their refs more, so they wouldn't have to go to the middle east to get an extra pay check from a sovereign nation before they return home and officiate a game featuring a team that that sovereign nation also owns.

[–] hoopbag33@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Try improving the refs you fucking asshats

[–] gmoss101@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Mikel Arteta is PL Refs Father

[–] Unholysinner@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Just give the managers huge speakers

Fight with the FA.

End the referee’s club.

[–] Flammabubble@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Could they get tough on the causes of criticisms of referees please?

[–] cjarrett@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

maybe focus on improving refereeing first

[–] SpezSucksBallz@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Easier than sorting out the real problem I guess.

Turning into a bit of a dictatorship.

[–] Tierst@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Best league in the world btw 😂 Countries buying teams and blatantly cheating their way to titles, PGMOL being a literal mafia..what a joke of a league