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[โ€“] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 6 days ago (4 children)

During the 1986-1992 California drought, we were informed in the San Francisco Bay Area region that water service prices were going to go up unless we conserved strictly.

They said this to a bunch of California hippies, on account that we were in California.

So we way got on board. We stopped flushing. Any water that was rendered non-potable we'd repurpose for watering plants or filter it for second use. Japanese naval baths (weird tiny bowl seats and a sponge, used in the Imperial Navy, WWII) got popular so people were keeping clean via a tenth of normal water usage.

We conserved too much according to the water department and they raised prices anyway.

This sparked some investigations (by journalists, since investigative journalism was still a thing then) and found that agriculture got water for much cheaper, and was still using it once before flushing it (now laced with pesticides) out into the sea. Needless to say, we conservationist hippies were livid.

It's still a problem, as the utility companies routinely lobby our congress and governor (and Newsom may know how to be a California liberal, but he's still a Dianne-Feinstein-style ( / Nancy-Pelosi style) money-grubbing neoliberal. He just has game, especially when opposed to far right idiots. The setup in Monster's Inc (power crisis in a city where scream is the principal power source) was inspired by the Enron fraud affair leading to rolling blackouts and Texas siphoning off California's general fund. And our governments from Schwarzenegger (who I will never forgive) to Newsom are in the pocket of PG&E. (I'm on SMUD now and my bill is conspicuously less.)

Also, according to Climate Town, the Sauds own a lot of California farmland, where they grow alfalfa to import to the mid-east to feed their cows. Alfalfa crops are one of the most water hungry, and is one of the big ways beef is driving the climate crisis (and towards a massive food shortage and global famine!) and the water tables, to which they have access and first-tap rights, gets lower every year. ๐Ÿ•™

So I suspect that the Texas AI centers are getting water at a cheaper rate than private homes. Maybe it's something to get active about.

[โ€“] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So the people should build a giant warehouse that uses a bazillion gallons of water that feeds into the warehouse and in the same pipe back to the water system, get wholesale rates and charge consumers the cheaper rate!

Same pipe, just make sure it goes into the warehouse so you can charge people for what leaves.

[โ€“] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You want to trust the water a data center with zero regulations is regurgitating?

[โ€“] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

No, I want the people to buy a warehouse, have the utility run pipe into the building and back out to the water supply, have the warehouse pay wholesale rates and resell it to the people at wholesale after its half second journey through the detour pipe in the warehouse.

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[โ€“] Freefall@lemmy.world 42 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Yes, Texas did vote for that. Haha, Red states suffering is funny.

[โ€“] ours@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They owned the ~~libs~~ themselves..

[โ€“] CaptnNMorgan@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

They owned the themselves

[โ€“] caboose2006@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Whether or not they did we all exist under the same atmosphere.

[โ€“] bluelander@lemmy.ml 41 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Texan here: we barely get to vote on shit at all. And they're gerrymandering to make it even harder.

I'd call Texas a clown car but it's too big to qualify.

[โ€“] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The estimate of the majority Democrats would need to retake the Senate is something like 70/30, based on the degree of gerrymandering.

And the math just gets worse every time maps are redrawn.

How strong is Fair Maps Texas? Assuming it's sincere in its effort to redistrict Texas fairly, Maybe they need more ~~brickthrowers~~ ~~saboteurs~~ sign wavers and clerical volunteers.

After Civil War 2, Texas and parts of Mexico would end it with a treaty as a single independent country with their own shit stains to live with.

[โ€“] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 28 points 6 days ago

its funny how these AI centers are mostly if not all in red states only, simply because they know the legislation wont do anything, and encourage them anyways, plus the resident that leans right are less likely to make a big fuss over it.

[โ€“] Hikuro93@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Well, I mean...Not for nothing, but Texas being one of the reddest states there is, and even being willing to double it down by heavily gerrymandering themselves for Trump worship, means that they did vote to serve their deep state and oligarch overlords. Which is quite ironic for the small government party. And that's coming from me, who believes in the potential of AI for humanity in the long-term, but only if used responsibly and not at the cost of people's quality of life to satisfy the corrupt elite.

But then again, irony is in their DNA, starting with all their preaching about "keeping kids safe". Speaking of which, Trump files where? I need to check if Epstein's name comes up in those.

[โ€“] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Why the fuck do they alway pick the driest places to use the most water. Fucking morons

[โ€“] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I always rant about tech moving to Austin.

They need low heat, reliable power, cheap / fast internet, and an abundance of water.

Texas is literally none of those things.

[โ€“] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 25 points 6 days ago

We have low regulations though. Which is why they do it.

[โ€“] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Industrial cooling is all about evaporating some liquid into gas. For evaporative coolers, that liquid is water and works best if the air is dry and water is plentiful (the absurd part). If you don't have water or the air is so humid that evaporation is difficult, the liquid is expensive refrigerant which must recycle back into liquid in a closed loop with a gas compressor that pumps the waste heat into the air through forced convection heat exchangers (big fans blowing air past hot refrigerant-filled pipes), all of which consumes a lot of energy.

Ideally, we'd live in a post scarcity society in which huge arrays of solar panels would provide electricity to run closed-loop refrigerant plants that would consume zero water to cool our data centers.

Vapor chamber with the river.

[โ€“] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There's only one obvious answer to that question in a capitalism world. Because it's cheaper than other places. Why is it cheaper for the corporations in the driest places where common people need to stop using showers is also obvious.

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[โ€“] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Because that usually means it's hot and sunny so things grow well if you can get water to it.

It's easier to get water places than make it warmer or sunnier in the optimal water place.

Edit: sorry this was me thinking about the alfalfa sprout comment above. Makes zero fucking sense for IT.

[โ€“] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago

Imagine not having obese AI fart videos because you want a shower?

[โ€“] 1984@lemmy.today 8 points 6 days ago

Nice to see humanity has its priorities straight as usual... :)

[โ€“] haloduder@thelemmy.club 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Seems like the real problem is that companies aren't being charged enough for their excessive water usage.

It's no surprise this is happening in the Land of Useful Idiots and Dipshits, texas.

less regulation, plus gop/republicans arnt going to protest over something that is pollution/environmental damage, at least not in large numbers.

[โ€“] WalterLego@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago

They deregulated shower heads just in time.

[โ€“] MissJinx@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

don't be selfishn, Microsoft AI will be used by the whole world and only few people will need this water to shower.

S/ hahahha

[โ€“] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Sorry, but a vibe coder just told Chat GPT to fully implement their code. Now you can't shower. Suck it!

[โ€“] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

LOL! The Red Run Deregulated Texas Oblast does not surprise me with this kind of shit. If it dries up, the fucking red voters can stay and find the fuck out.

Hilarious, hilarious. Hilarious.

[โ€“] maniajack@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[โ€“] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 2 points 6 days ago

Can't wait for the water wars to start. :-/

[โ€“] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

I'm not joking when i say that not using ai is mostly improving my reasoning. Probably, each time I used it, i had to subconsciously offset some thinking to that brainless machine. I'm fine the way I am, i know it's being propped up as some ultimate solution but my creative output improved too.

We're probably offsetting some thinking and memorisation to a computer with a complete lack of experience of the real world, and it's somehow being presented as acceptable. I do n't think it's fine.

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