Headphones

and you can get the same sound for 70-80$ with wired iems

Apple hate mindset is unreal

I had APP ver. 1 and then got ver. 2. It is incredible how much better Apple made the ver. 2. It is a surprisingly good Bluetooth tws.

Xm4 (the wf one) is quite good but airpods pro is one of the few greatest TWSes you can get along with Samsung Buds Pro.

I had a pair of sennies IE300 and now the first gern timeless. Does anyone know how the apple pros compare to these? I only heard their first wireless buds some years ago and I was like.. Meehhh :)

I had the exact same feeling. Was debating upgrading to the xm5s but was really impressed when I tried the APP2s

The APP2’s are good and all, they’re my daily driver ahead of the likes of the B&O H95 simply because of ease of use and lack of connectivity issues.

I think the real issue though is that the XM line has simply been greatly overstated in terms of sound quality. They’re just not that good but they’ve been marketed and hyped over the past 5 years by influencers and YT reviews as in and around the top tier in BT earphones for the average person’s when they’re simply not.

They’re at least okay to decent in every department I could think of, instantly became the daily driver.

Apple has always cared about sound quality and done a good job. They are usually competitive at their price point and far more convenient than the alternatives. The homepod and Airpod maxes are also surprisingly good.

"Crappy AAC" lol

I was also pleasantly impressed with Bose QCII earbuds. Just tilt the treble and bass towards brightness by about 3db's and you'll get amazing detail and left-right imaging. Doesn't beat my Fh3 with EQ but it's really good for convenience with the best ANC on the market.

We been here telling you theyre good…

tbf after using XM4s everything is gonna sound better

just kidding, im glad you enjoy the APP2s, I absolutely love them - convenience, great ANC, and good audio all in a tiny package

You need to use the app to get the best sound out of the XM4s...did you?

A pair of $50 wired IEMs will sound even better if quality is what you value over convenience. Airpods are not as good as they're praised to be and not worth the price at all imo

I had some Bowers & Wilkins in-ear. They were great, but broke down, so I bought AirPods Pro 2. Same – amazing 😂 integrate really well with everything too, of course.

Nice to see another person brainwashed by apple into thinking their headphones are in any way good or enjoyable to listen to.

Wireless earbuds are the epitome of disposable electronics. You have them two years, boom, the battery is toast and you throw them away for a new pair.

Get some real IEMs and enjoy headphones that sound a heck of a lot better than the wireless crap apple is selling.

Unfortunately, they're only good on Apple products.

I enjoyed them on my iPhone 14 Pro Max. Then I switched to a Samsung S23 Ultra and holy fuck, the drop in quality was immediately noticeable. So much so, I sold them. They became useless and my £20 Chi-Fi IEMs sounded better.

For the price you pay for them, you can get vastly better audio quality elsewhere.

AAC is far from crappy, welcome to reality. The xm4s simply don’t sound that great, I don’t care what codec or stupid marketing Sony comes out with.

Yeah they're pretty nice. The portability of TWS are also fantastic, I just slide them into my pocket if I don't want to wear them anymore, transparency mode is better than the XM4's. Albeit a small step down regarding ANC, since the WF-1000XM4's have thicker eartips that do better for passive noise isolation. The APP2 also have slight better bass kick, at the expense of treble definition and midrange smoothness that the XM4's have.

The design of the APP2 are also better IMO, easier to handle as there are more places to grip them. The WF-1000XM4's are slippery everywhere else.

As for phone calls, APP2's do better.

I don't think I can go back to wired, no more snagging my wires on anything as I walk around, these were a huge pain (literally) when I was using my ER4XR's on the go.

I mean there are lots of better earphones, but they are all less comfortable. That makes the airpods really great. They just feel so light in you ear.

I was very confused on my first day, because i thought they would fall out.

even with crappy aac

The importance of the codec is vastly, vastly overrated. It's just a marketing thing.

Frequency response is what matters.

Yeah they are pretty good, I just wish it had better separation with busy music….also a bit more midbass. They are fantastic for asmr and general content consumption, i connect them to my tv a lot.