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Arizona's solar-over-canal project will tackle its major drought issue::undefined

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[–] squirrelwithnut@lemmy.world 89 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Arizona and the entire South West don't have a drought problem. They have an aridification problem. While this canal project is a good move in general and we should have been doing it years ago, there is no solving the over-population of a desert. One look at Colorado River basin and its reservoirs is enough to know there is nothing we can do to fix it.

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

With any luck pretty soon they'll look at alfalfa farming in the desert too

[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why the fuck are humans so stupid that we decided to grow one of the thirstiest crops in the fucking desert.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because entrenched, and exceptionally wealthy interests. Reading about how about in CA there are tons of Colorado River fed foreign owned farms growing alfalfa to export to the middle east is the definition of capitalist success...the profit of a commodity has been made the most efficient; acquired cheaply for something otherwise impossible with international arbitrage as the medium.

Every time someone asks people in the southwest to take shorter showers show them this: https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/2022/02/24/california-water/

[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We should probably update the dictionary so the word 'greed' is synonymous to dumb, stupid, ect. Cuz it sure seems that greedy people just have a super low IQ.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They already do.

Also, all those new Intel wafer plants near Phoenix.

[–] Poach@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

And Samsung and TSMC and others

[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah... but sometimes you've gotta accept that a band-aid is all you can do. While this doesn't fix the underlying problems, if it works it'll provide more water and low carbon energy, which is better than nothing.

[–] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

if it works it'll provide more water

Unfortunately they will just use even more then, so the "shortage" will be maintained.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The "one more lane" of water supply.

[–] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I really hope this works. Also: banning water-intensive farming in dumb places might help.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 16 points 2 years ago

It would definitely help because that is the main problem.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or we could put effort towards limitations of fossil fuels and fix it long term. Maybe both, but if we don't do former, only duct tape.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Luckily this does both, to some extent. It's not as far as we need, but solar offsets dirty energy usage.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Doesn't Arizona get most of its energy from the giant nuclear power plant near Phoenix?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago

Well they're part of a larger grid. Any clean energy on the grid will be cheaper than dirty, so will be sold to offset dirty even if Arizona was 100% clean.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't understand how it "offsets". If someone pisses in the pool and I do it behind a tree, that somehow gets rid of piss molecules in the pool?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

You only need a certain amount of power. (In fact, you can't generate more power than is needed, or you cause massive issues.) If this adds extra energy generation but doesn't add demand, generation somewhere else will be taken offline. This will be whatever is cheapest, and green energy is nearly free after construction, so it'll be dirty energy that isn't running anymore.

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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] Unforeseen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Good book :)

[–] rustyriffs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Water scarcity causes societal collapse throughout the American Southwest. Well written book, interesting premise - just an all around enjoyable bit of fiction.

[–] rustyriffs@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out!

anyone that's interested:

the water knife

[–] SaintWacko@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago

I just finished reading that. Agree with all of that

[–] DerKriegs@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

YES! Such a good read!

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They should try this at those retaining ponds where they filled them with black balls.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago

There are several companies working on solar covers for reservoirs. I agree, seems like a win win. Reduce evaporation and have a large, level, "field" for solar arrays.