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I've gotten a new phone and setting it up for the past few days - a Fairphone 5 with Android installed. So obviously, this means I can't escape Googles clutches. Sure, whatever.

I have been VERY adamant about pressing "No" on all prompts, that try to get me to try something out or use some dumb service. I do not want any AI tool or similar to go through my files.

Yet, while perousing the depths of my system settings, I realized Google Photos was using a suspicous amount of storage. Somehow, it had "synchronized" ALL my locally saved pictures - this included pictures of my vacations, my drivers license, private pictures I would have rather not shared, and so on...

And while checking the Google Photos App for the damage done, obviously it had already automatically generated "previews" and "albums" for me, neatly organized.

IT HAD AUTOMATICALLY ANALYSED MY DRIVERS LICENSE AND SAVED IT INTO AN ALBUM CALLED "Identity-related"

How the fuck is this legal? I am so mad at myself right now. I'm usually so fuckin cautious about denying any sort of pop-up and setting all settings as strictly as possible.

So obviously I just had to spent 2 hours figuring out how to turn this "synchronization" off, and how to delete all photos in google photos - spoiler alert: There is no "Delete All" button. You have to manually select every single fucking image.

Sorry for the rant, I hope it's not too off-topic. I'm just so mad right now.

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[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Yes, this happens. Even if you turn off all the syncing etc, they will shoot an update and all your settings will revert to default. This has happened with my father's phone a lot.

And even if you keep all these settings off, they are still scanning all photos to check for CSAM.

I highly recommend deGoogling your phone. If you cannot install a custom ROM, check out Universal Android Debloater. There are many sources for degoogling your life. Check out c/degoogle on Lemmy (I forgot the instance name, just search for it). ~~Or if you want we have small group on Signal for deGoogling related talks, DM me and I can share the link to join. (Signal does require a phone number to register, but since usernames are a thing your phone number will not be available publicly.)~~ That group link is disabled, but I can share other group links like Linux and FOSS, or other privacy related groups.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There not even checking for CSAM

That would be near impossIble considering the tech. Even on a normal portrait is hard to judge the age on. Let alone fotos with more complex perspectives and only some body parts visible.

What they are doing is using hashes of specific real pictures that the police know are commonly shared.

Theoretically it could catch some careless content consuming offenders. The worst offenders, that produce new material, are beyond the scope.

But also, obvious what google gets is just the hashcodes and not the actual pics. If the police gave google a hash to target for pics of vances bald head or (trans-positive) memes who would know?

[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

There was a news some time ago, that a man was arrested for clicking nude pictures of children, later it was found out that he was sending pictures of his child to a doctor for diagnosis. How did that happen?

I'll link the source if I find it.

Update:

NYTimes - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html

Paywall removed - https://removepaywalls.com/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men.

They are literally too big to care.

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

False positives are a thing. They do scan all your photos for csam. Poorly.

We know this because of the article during the pandemic when a dude sent a photo of his son's dick to a doctor (it had an infection and the doctor asked to see it). Dude lost access to his entire google account. Lost everything. Emails, files, everything. It wasn't a hash.

[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I appreciate your comment, replying here for reference, perhaps I'd like to join that signal channel. Being staunchly anti-google I feel I'm on top of things, but my Gmail is used across many of my logins. With the scanning for CSAM issue, many people don't realize that Google installs a hidden app called safetycore, for me it gets reinstalled on every update.

https://allthings.how/what-is-android-system-safetycore-and-why-did-it-appear-on-your-phone-2/

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Not against your will, you accepted this and more in the TOS of your account. But you can avoid it in the permission settings in your phone.

The second biggest lie in Internet: "I've read the Privacy Policies and Terms of Service" the first one "We respect the privacy of the user".

https://neal.fun/dark-patterns/

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[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 17 points 1 month ago

Same thing happened to me, and there is a delete all button. Go to Google photos > top right profile pic > backup is off (or whatever it says when it's on) > top right gear > undo backup for this device.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Ya. I'm sorry for you.

Problem is, even if you delete the Images, Google has already scraped them for info on you and used your Google account and phone number to tie it all together to further its data aggregation profile on you.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Use /e/OS officially supported on fair phone 5

[–] funkycarrot@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

/e/OS is a good option to regain privacy from Google, but arguably does some things worse in terms of security than stock.

You can find a good comparison here.

For the Fairphone 5, I'd recommend CalyxOS as soon as they're back from their hiatus. In the meantime, might as well stick with stock.

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 15 points 1 month ago

Event like this is what got me radicalized

[–] lefaucet@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago

It's kinda a pain to use 'cause so many apps rely on Google services, so those need to be replaced with alternatives, but e/OS is installable and is supported by Fairphone

https://community.e.foundation/t/install-e-os-v2-on-fairphone-5-my-little-guide/58260

[–] fluckx@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (5 children)

If you disable Google photos storage access you don't even have a camera roll :/

That's how embedded the damn thing is

[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 month ago

You don't really need a camera roll. Just use your normal gallery after taking pics.

You can disable Google Photos outright. No need to play with permissions.

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[–] butsbutts@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

google photos goes omnom

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Email their data protection officer and the government. They may get fined hundreds of millions of dollars for this

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You must be new around here lol

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

Exactly. Luigi #2 is the only way to even temporarily stop this.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Lol. Yeah and trump will get prosecuted for raping minors.

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[–] Eternal192@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Have some dic pics that were uploaded that i sent to my gf when we started dating and i'm glad i didn't delete them because now they have to look at my junk every time they decide to go snooping around where they shouldn't.

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[–] Tundra@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

install e/os:

https://doc.e.foundation/devices/FP5

or:

CalyxOS releases are paused, but when they are back: https://calyxos.org/

[–] RealM__@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

e/os is most likely my next step, especially with Google disabling installing "unverified" third-party apps in 2026.

Bought a FP5 with e/os in mind as a possible upgrade path, I just was too worried to immediately do the full jump.

[–] whatsgoingdom@rollenspiel.forum 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, I've installed e/os on my fairphone 5 and it just works. I even got my banking apps to work.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Hmm... I wonder... does GrapheneOS work on the Fairphone?

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[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Check out Aves Libre on F-Droid

I had to ditch Google Photos app because of my paranoia, about this exact same thing that happened to you.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago
[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

a Fairphone 5 with Android installed. So obviously, this means I can't escape Googles clutches

If you have a Fairphone then you can escape Google, Fairphones are one of the few phones that support third party ROMs. If they weren't so expensive I would buy one myself.

https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/FP5/

[–] GlenRambo@jlai.lu 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Sorry for your shitty situation.

Try this. No root needed. I'm pretty much google free on FP5 (and others).

https://github.com/0x192/universal-android-debloater

Removes most google apps and services.

Also try not to ever sign into google on your phone directly. Use Aurora Store, DAVX, Thunderbird etc.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I disabled the gallery and downloaded a different one.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Faschist company with a faschist government. Stop asking for legal, take control, go Open Source.

[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I got sick of GP when they announced AI learning on user photos (or actually that's just the last straw). I use a combination of these two apps now:

https://f-droid.org/packages/org.fossify.gallery/

https://f-droid.org/packages/io.ente.photos.fdroid/

[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If you were using Photos as a photo roll app you need to stay angry at yourself a while longer. That's on you when you should know you cannot trust the G. Don't grant an app permissions to photos and videos that could sync it to the cloud. And as another precaution, don't keep sensitive pictures in the DCIM folder. If I have to take pictures of sensitive documents like that I disable WiFi (sync set up on WiFi only), take the picture, move it to a folder that's never backed up elsewhere on my phone, and then turn WiFi back on.

You are not normal because you care about these things. The normal user doesn't care and that's who they are catering for. I'm not excusing their behavior (I don't like it either) and at the same time you need to be more on your toes.

I'm planning to move to Ente this year when my Google cloud subscription runs out. Not looking forward to the work it entails but to the [paints face blue] FREEDOM!

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I was gonna say something about postmarketOS, but it's not ready yet. Mobian is also not ready for it either.

So next best option if you really wanna get rid of this type of stuff is either rooting your device to remove what you don't need or flashing something like GrapheneOS or a different OS.

But I'd consider that a last resort if you already have everything set up just right and have things you don't wanna lose and can't backup easily. That, and if it's a work related device, you're screwed.

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[–] Libb@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I own an Android phone, for a single app I need to have access to. It's a Redmi something. I could not find a way to just uninstall their own 'Gallery' app nor the Google Photos app so I removed their access to any file. I hope this is enough but I don't know that.

I thought Android was all about choice (against iOS, which is my default phone) but this was not very convincing. I may have missed a way to easily uninstall any app, though? I would like to replace them with f-droid alternative apps so there won't be any risk they access the little data I've stored on that phone.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (10 children)

It's a Redmi something.

If it is still using the default OS (HyperOS / MiUI), you can uninstall both the Xiaomi and Google Photos apps. The easiest method nowadays is to install Universal Android Debloater on to your computer (any OS), connect your phone to it, enable USB debugging on the phone, and remove the apps you don't want.

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Where's the article to this story?

[–] RealM__@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's no article - this is something that happened to me personally, today. I needed an outlet and wanted some advice what to do about this, and I'm really happy about the responses I've gotten.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, but you're just screaming into an ephemeral void.

You could actually make google pay for this if you wrote an article about this on substack and then linked to it here.

Google has already paid over a billion dollars for GDPR violations. They do change their behavior as a result of such reporting and legal consequences.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Op should deff fight back but let's temper the expectations here... Realistically nothing will happen.

But yes it should be documented

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That all sounds like on-device behavior. You didn't say anything about it actually being uploaded.

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