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It's still pretty early into the season, but the run that the Magic have been on is pretty crazy. The Raptors have a pretty weak offense, the Magic completely snuffed them out in their game last week.

It didn't look like they have any major offseason moves either. What changed?

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[–] TheResolute44@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Magic weren’t a bad team last after they got healthy. One year of development plus more rookies equals a better record.

[–] Main-Performer-2607@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

They added Goga

[–] LR_Mango@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Maybe not trading young pieces is the key? People are so fast with "trade X for y". Those superstar teams and the only way for some.

Confidence and trust can make a difference. But a guarantee, but chances are there.

Said that, it's a streak right now and it won't last forever for a young team. But next streak will be longer and longer I hope.

While I believe in the playoff this season, it won't get far. But 25 might be a different story.

[–] ShutterBug545@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Defense with Isaac off the bench is crazy, really adds to their depth

[–] aligreaper19@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

i really hope nobody thinks they’re gonna get anywhere this post-season

[–] katielin-nextdoor@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

If you follow the magic last year, they actually played a lot of good teams tough. It was almost like they got up for the better teams, which makes sense from a young team.

[–] PlayInChampions@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Magic have a crazy good bench, which makes them very difficult to prepare for in regular season. You tweak your defensive scheme to stop Franz and Paolo, but you have Mo Wagner and Cole Anthony giving you 30 from the bench. I remember I was at the game when Bamba fought Austin Rivers - Magic starters were pretty bad and Wolves got 10-12 points early lead, but Magic bench scored 60-70 points in that game and won it for them.

[–] 127crazie@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Cole Anthony is a certified Wolves killer. That man always destroys us.

[–] Frankiedrunkie@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I feel like all his game winners are against you guys lol

[–] HorseMeatKhabib@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I believe young players tend to get better as they get closer to their prime. Just a theory.

[–] Disastrous_Cap6152@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Wow! Ph.D. In philosophy, I'm guessing?

[–] trappapii69@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Cole is a hilarious basketball player who averages more rebounds as a guard than assists. JI is healthy and still is defensive KD. Mo energy is insane. All the starters play hard and actively attempt to play basketball as a team.!Emphasis on defense and having the vibes be immaculate in the locker room.

[–] obnoxious-redditr@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don't even know where to start.

Compared to the Raptors, the Magic have:

  • A better bench
  • Better starters
  • Better prospects
  • Better front office
  • More experienced coaching staff
[–] goodiebadbad@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I'll agree on everything but the front office. If it's GM/Pres specific maybe

[–] clayfu@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Their bench has been super key. Even when the starters are outmatched it feels like the bench always overwhelms the other team’s secondary shifts

[–] dkleckner88@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They were also very tough post ASB last year. Didn't always pull the games out, but they were a much better team overall. Finally closing out the games this year.

[–] tehspacepope@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

That's one of the biggest differences, they're learning how to finish games they would have blown last year.

[–] whtge8@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago
[–] PewpyDewpdyPantz@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

This was expected. They were my secret weapon in 2k23

[–] Drewbacca_Hrrrgrgrar@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

A veteran bench that meshes together pretty much perfectly. You have a microwave scorer in Cole Anthony. Then you have two more scorers in Gary Harris and Mo Wagner, then Joe Ingles to help facilitate. Lastly, you have Jonathan Isaac to cover up any defensive deficiencies the second unit has.

[–] opeth2310@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

They got the power of God and republicans now that Isaac is healthy.

[–] Rebil2017@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

You don’t think….that it could be been Mag- no, couldn’t be

[–] MVPPB5@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

We had “ayo the producer” remix our theme song and it’s got the city hype.

Play dat song 🎧

[–] RayRomanoSuperFan@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Blasphemy cause he does so many things well, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence this run has happened without Fultz.

Youre not missing his defense since the Magic are stacked at guard defensively. On offense Banchero/Franz are getting more shots per game (2 and 3 per game respectively w/out Fultz) + Suggs has been shooting very well so far. Black has been a work in progress but moving him to the starters has made the bench lineups having more shooting around Cole Anthon instead of Black.

Fultz is good but if they’re going to play Anthony Black (which they probably should), it’s very hard to balance three guards getting minutes who do not space the floor (Suggs likely not getting a ton of attention from defenses yet but could change that if he keeps it up)

[–] LinuxDootTP@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

they had by far the most injury problems/worst injury luck out of all the teams last year. seems like things are improving for them just by virtue of being healthy. also suggs is a dawg.

[–] ReedWilliams12@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The team internally just progressed, but as a Magic fan I think one thing that no one has talked about is the team just has 10 guys that are “NBA Players” and would get some kind of minutes on 90 percent of teams.

Last year Bol Bol, Mo Bamba, RJ Hampton, Admiral Schofield, Kevin Harris, etc all played about 35 games for us. (RJ about 25). Even second rounder Caleb Houstan who I think has a chance to be an okay player played 50 games.

Not saying Joe Ingles, Moe Wagner, Gary Harris, Goga, JI, would play 30 minutes for contenders, but they are quality enough so that you can have them out there and feel okay about it especially against second units

[–] 2020IsANightmare@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

They might be this year's November NBA Champs!!!

Now, of course, the problem is that there are many more MONTHS of the NBA season.

Not getting swept in the first-round of the playoffs is a great goal. Not trying to be funny. It is their realistic, most crazy ceiling.

[–] 36Vigilantes@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Our team health is a big component as well. Markelle and Wendell Carter Jr are currently hurt, but to have a healthy JI/Gary Harris/ Jalen Suggs from seasons beginning has made a big difference

The emergence of Cole buying into his 6th man role and Moritz Wagner and Goga Bitadze playing confident ball has made big difference as well.

Above all else, a culture has been created in this organization and defense is a PRIORITY for anybody getting minutes, s/o coach Mose and staff for this.

[–] Shmokeshbutt@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Franz is a stud unlike that bust Kuminga

[–] WondrousIdeals@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Franz Wagner is Magic Naysayers Father.

[–] Overall-Palpitation6@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Goga Bitadze has been an underrated factor in the Magic's defense and overall play so far. Has been great in Wendell Carter's absence.

Mo Wagner has also taken advantage of the increased opportunity since Carter has been out too.

Perhaps Carter is expendable?