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I need to vent.

Everyone all the time asks me how can I afford traveling all the time. I work remotely and have a corporate 10 years long career, I don't have kids and don't have a car or an apartment. I speak 2 languages and used to be the most hardworking person ever to make my career. Don't get me wrong, I'm still from a poor country and I don't make big money, I travel on budget, but in my country I would be consider above average in terms of money. I'm great in managing money, I provide for myself and am independent for 10 years and I used to live for only $275 a month.

Also as a digital nomad I travel to live in a country, I'm not a tourist that spends much money every day.

How do you deal with it? People tell me all the time that I'll get broke or that I should work more or that I have a sugar daddy. They ask me if this lifestyle isn't expensive. Obviously it is, but having kids also is super expensive.

The most funny thing is that I meet people that makes literally 10 TIMES MORE than me and they are jealous and ask me of I could advise them to make more and how much they should make to afford being a digital nomad.

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[–] mmxmlee@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

bruh,

you tell people you work online.

period. end of discussion.

next.

[–] tengoCojonesDeAcero@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Can I ask you one thing? How do you find places to live in? I assume you're not living in hostels?

[–] Away_Situation2729@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I don’t get asked this. But I also don’t brag about traveling all the time. So maybe just cut down on the bragging. Usually I just say I’m a nomad and what my job is and that’s about the end of discussion.

And if I weren’t a nomad people would probably ask me what my job is so it feels the same

[–] HighlightStreet8973@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Well, when you settle down in Japan for 4 to 6 months, things look a lot different than if I were visiting.. Tokyo for example, for a week or 2.

My brother went to HND and stayed in the Tokyo area (very general I'm aware) for a week. Spent nearly 1800 not including the plane ticket.

When I live in Japan with my girlfriend, our monthly expenses are only 1400 total per month including our apartment. As others have said, a long term stay will differ than a holiday abroad.

[–] GeekarNoob@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

THANK YOU.

I feel so bad sometimes because of everyone's comments. And also because everyone everywhere I go assume I'm a rich mofo who is living as a tiktok poser. No I'm not rich, yes it's an expensive lifestyle, no I'm not working everyday on a beach drinking a cocktail in a coconut, actually I've never done that and it does not attract me in the slightest (not that I could afford it anyway).

[–] Potential-Analyst384@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

You're welcome!

[–] little-bean-124@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I just stop sharing my life with these people

[–] No-Cold-8658@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

have fun! people who never did it will just never understand. try not to let them get to you, just do whatever you want and feels good for you, not for them. enjoy this lifestyle as much as you can as it’s very unique and you can do anything you want, quite literally. what i loved first when starting was the simple fact that people think you’re on a continuous vacation spending money like them, whereas you’re actually just living your life in different countries and most probably doing a better job with finances than most of them :) enjoy life and don’t worry too much!

[–] Geminii27@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Easiest way: don't tell them what you do.

[–] aamadeuss@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (9 children)

People don't understand that traveling is not holiday. And that long term travel is not a 7 week stay in a hotel.

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[–] Big-Basis3246@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I suspect that it has to do with two things:

- You not having kids

- Your 'refusal' to settle down and develop ties to a specific place

People who don't procreate and who wander around rather than staying put solely identifying with one group identity are always going to be shamed. Wrongfully so, but still, it happens. It's a sad fact of life

[–] Prinnykin@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why though? It really triggers people for some reason.

I personally don’t care what people do with their own lives, it’s none of my business. But damn, people have really nasty things to say about how I live mine.

[–] Big-Basis3246@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I can only speculate. My best guess would be that people have some innate fear of anything that endangers continuity, i.e. the continued existence of the tribe. People who go their own way are subsconsciously seen as a threat because they demonstrate that cliches about belonging and procreation are just that, cliches, concepts that bear little relation to reality.

[–] Potential-Analyst384@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

You're so right! I feel so shamed that I don't want to buy an apartment and get stuck in one place.

[–] MannyRibera32@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Who buys an apartment tho?!

[–] Potential-Analyst384@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In my country it's like a must and a success. People take 30 years mortgage just to have 40 m2.

[–] MannyRibera32@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If i would buy something it would be a house but never an apartment, it is just throwing your money away. Yeah you can rent it out when it is paid but too much trouble for it

[–] Potential-Analyst384@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No, in my country actually renting apartments is a good business. Many of my friends have 2 apartments and they rent out one. We don't have buildings that are owned by one company and they rent it out. Every apartment is owned by a person. It's much different than in different countries.

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[–] YuanBaoTW@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sounds more like an issue with the people in your social circle than anything else.

[–] Potential-Analyst384@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It's not my social circle. I travel, so I meet new people all the time.

[–] thekwoka@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but like, how do you make money?

[–] Potential-Analyst384@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have a job.

[–] Meph248@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't have an answer, I just wanted to say that I can empathize, since I had the exact same experience when I talk about my bike touring.

"Hey, I'm cycling a year across Africa, wild camping" (spending ~$10 a day) - Me, on a bike.

"wow, must be nice to be rich, love I could live like that" - grumbling person with more comfort and money than I'd ever have on tour.

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[–] krismitka@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

If you don't know their birthday, they probably don't know yours. And you can safely ignore the opinions of people who don't know you well enough to know your birthday.

ie, their words carry no weight. You can ignore the question altogether if you like; it will have no impact.

[–] hardworkforgrowth@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'd be willing to die for someone before I'd remember their birthday tbh

[–] krismitka@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps, but die for someone who would not take care to remember yours?

[–] hardworkforgrowth@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I couldn't care less about if someone remembers my birthday. In fact, I'd prefer it.

What I value in others is their commitment towards taking action that's helpful to me and can enrich my life. Not some arbitrary day.

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[–] mygoddamnself@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The “problem” with other people questioning this experience isn’t with them. It’s with your reaction to them.

Who cares what anyone thinks? I sure the fuck don’t..

Let it go. Be kind. Explain how it has worked for you.

[–] Potential-Analyst384@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think the problem is I hate when people ask me about my salary, spendings and savings. It's too private for me.

[–] mygoddamnself@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

There’s a popular saying “when you change the way you look at things. The things you look at change”.

Stop hating it and the problem no long exists.

[–] Opt6740@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Look at this from different perspective, Who cares what they say, you are living Your life, while they are too narrow minded to understand that they are wasting their time... You will not save the world...

[–] Chris_Talks_Football@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I don't have kids

That line right there seems to explain it most of the time for me.

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[–] Geepandjagger@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

People don't understand what they don't know. My friends go away for two weeks in the summer and blow 5-6,000 dollars in a couple of weeks. They extrapolate that to the whole year and think you must spend the same. They forget that many countries are way cheaper, that when they are at home they don't eat out three times a day and get hammered every night and that I don't do that when traveling. The main thing is that people are jealous and they try to create a reason why it's not possible for them, or why they are not doing it. The real reason is they are too lazy or scared or something else but it's easier to put a very high financial obstacle to show that it's not their fault and use this to explain it away. Honestly anyone I care about doesn't ask the question

[–] Freakonomical@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It's the jealousy ...

  • They are stuck in 9-5 while you are not
  • They have 10,20 year loans which you don't
  • They have to compromise their partner's lifestyle which you don't
  • They want what you have but they can't have it even though they followed all the "rules" in life ---- married, job, kids,mortgage

and it makes them mad, they can't comprehend it


basically entitlement.

[–] ghostlovescore14@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

In the end, it's your life, right? If you want to continue travelling, just do so. If you end up wanting to settle down, do so.

People are gonna talk and be jealous no matter what, the only difference being the degree to which they do that.

Simply try working on your mechanism to "swallow" what they say, you're probably not going to change their opinion as we as humans have a tendency to tell others what they should do in life.

Live long and prosper!

[–] JackieFinance@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're probably giving too much information. I always just say I have an agency and work with clients around the world online.

I have gotten zero negativity with this story.

You don't get extra points for telling more than you need to. Less is definitely more.

Plus it has the added benefit of giving people zero information about how much you make.

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[–] elvarg9685@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Just tell people you’re independently wealthy.

[–] immanencer@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I did the digital nomad thing last year and now settling down to rent a place for a year I immediately regret how much more expensive it is compared to travel.

[–] Guilty-Actuary89@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Tell them you're a software engineer making a good living. That explains all the little questions

[–] newmes@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I identify myself as an entrepreneur first and nomad/traveler second. Nobody has ever asked me how I can afford any of it. They know I can afford it

[–] FracturedSOS@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Weirdly no one has ever asked me about it before. Not joking. I can see why people would be curious.

[–] Gino-Solow@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

People don’t understand that travelling is often cheaper than living full time in a HCOL country.

[–] life_is_enjoy@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Best solution… give them a short nice answer .. If they start questioning your choices then ignore their question and change the topic or stop talking or interacting with them. If they still bother you then cut them off. That’s what I’ve been doing recently. I’ve lost my patience and tolerance for such people. It’s none if their business. I’m childfree and live in other country than my home country. This has made it worse. Started seeing true colours of people now, and how they try to push their opinions and choices on me.

[–] fikri_inter-business@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I get your point. So, what country were you from, what country are you moving to, and why?

[–] D0nath@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

"they are so jealous"

I get that from everyone, but it's just bullshit. Anybody can do it after me, but they don't even try. They keep grinding 9to5 from home and live their life on insta scrolling.

[–] rarsamx@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Most people think that travel involves spending a large amount of money in a short period of time. They work all year to spend a large sume in a week. Hence, they can't imagine how someone can afford two weeks, or three, let alone 52 weeks traveling.

I spend a month what many people spend in a weekend getaway. And in 6 months in Europe what they spend on a 10 day Europe vacation.

That's why they can't understand someone traveling a nomad way. Spending the same or less or maybe just a tiny bit more than loving in the same place.

With an equivalent salary, my observation is that people tend to spend less in some things so they can spend more in others. From no mortgage/no car to less physical possessions.

Even the big spender nomads, making the same in a single place, would have a larger house or a more expensive car or more clothes, etc.

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