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[–] mkvii1989@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

You can simultaneously have atrocious officiating AND not blame it for McDermott pissing away yet another historic Josh Allen performance in a close game. I wish I could dig through the comment history of all the Bills haters in here because I’m sure the hypocrisy is strong with them.

I’d also say that any smart player is going to gamble on taking a penalty in some situations, so I’m certain Slay knew he could either take a risk on DPI or be almost certain Diggs catches that pass for a long first down. It was a smart play on his part.

[–] lionoflinwood@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

How nice of him.

[–] hairysonorth@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I got stuck with browns/broncos and raider chiefs. How controversial was the reffing in this game? Or was it your usual “team with lots of wins always gets ref help”?

[–] Infinite_Mind7894@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The latter for sure. The Bills were up deep into the 4th and choked. That's all that happened. The penalties that are being complained about happened earlier in the game. Buffalo benefits from a non-call on their last TD of the game when an online man (think it was the vent, maybe right guard) was 4 yards different blocking at the goal line. But no one's bringing that up.

It's overblown noise like most ref complaints.

[–] Agreeable_Employ_951@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The problem is penalties absolutely neutered a historically awful first half form the Eagles which kept the game way closer than it should've been.

[–] Infinite_Mind7894@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Good teams overcome penalties. That's what makes them good teams.

The Bills were up late in the 4th and choked. That's all there is to it. They had every opportunity to score more points (while still leading) with numerous drives unaffected by penalties but they didn't because they couldn't, not because their scores were being taken off the board by penalties. Those are the facts.

[–] KidDelicious14@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The second thing you said.

[–] Kara_Del_Rey@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Can't stand the Bills but they got shafted all game. Eagles were constantly false starting (especially Lane Johnson), Allen was flagged for getting horse collared somehow, Eagles O Line getting away with some very massive holds, and more. Definitely was a suspicious game.

[–] soonami@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Homie, Lane Johnson did not play. He was out with a groin.

[–] PetalumaPegleg@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Another example where people don't know the rules for tackles. Every game.

Not calling holds is multiple times a time for both teams in every game. Carter gets held constantly.

Allen was flagged for getting horse collared? Again I assume you don't know the rules. He was drafted down by the front. Not a horse collar. The brief hold on the back was not how he was brought down. It was a sack and while well in the grasp Allen threw the ball away and it was grounding.

Very suspicious. 🤪

[–] PetalumaPegleg@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It wasn't especially. As usual calls were missed on both sides.

[–] thenightman4211@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The eagles fans in the sub will have you think it wasn’t an issue because they got the calls all year. Of course missed calls both ways and at the end of the day the bills lost that game themselves. But if their franchise QB was penalized on a play he was blatantly horse collared on, they would be upset to. According to the all 22, they feel vindicated so good for them.

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[–] Lifesaboxofgardens@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Refs miss calls all the time.. nobody perfect. But holding an grabbing goes on every play. If they would’ve called it I wouldn’t be mad at all!

Full tweet. Basically what we all know, there could be a flag on every play.

[–] Historical_One1087@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

There should have been a flag on that specific play because Slay was holding the WR.

[–] lapuertadepizza@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Should rules be subjective or objective?

[–] Liimbo@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, I think it depends on the rule specifically. There are certain blatantly objective things like lining up past the line of scrimmage, and there are plenty of calls where I do think the refs should have some leeway to interpret such as pass interference.

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[–] craicraimeis@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

No sport will ever be perfectly objective. I think soccer is maybe the only one we can say can really minimize the impact of a ref but even that’s BS.

There needs to be some level of consistency between each ref crew but to think refereeing will ever be completely objective is unrealistic.

[–] lapuertadepizza@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

That isn't what I asked

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[–] DrewFlan@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Subjective since it's literally not possible for it to be objective.

[–] notPatrickClaybon@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Amazing how it’s totally fine for you in this case lol do you not see how favored you’ve been this year or are you gonna pretend it’s not happening?

[–] Background-Cress9165@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Eagles had a great whistle (as in, in their favor) in the bills game. There have also been games theyve had a bad one. That's literally every team.

The only exception i can think of is the chiefs, and thats only bc it seems mahomes gets a key call in crunch time in every game i watch theyre in. I dont watch every game, and they also beat the eagles in the sb, so could be both wrong and salty given biases.

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[–] boyyouguysaredumb@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Didn’t the eagles just go yet another entire game without having a holding call against them?

[–] trebek321@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Gotta get yourself that momma kelce plot armor if you want to cut back on those.

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[–] BounceBros21@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Slay gets away with so much

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[–] emmasdad01@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I mean, of course he says that after the fact and when it isn’t relevant anymore.

[–] Infinite_Mind7894@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

They don't interview players during the game. When else would he get to say it to the media? 🙄

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[–] Much-Consequence8648@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Breaking: Darius Slay fined $10,000 for tweet about NFL officiating.

[–] LiterallyAWorm@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I feel like the officiating in this game is blown out of proportion. The horse collar non-call was atrocious, no excuse to miss that one obviously. But for the Bills, this pass interference seems to be the only notable miss otherwise, and the play wound up being inconsequential as the Bills converted the first the very next play, farther up than the spot of the foul.

I don’t see this game as anywhere near the dolphins game, where it was just blatantly one sided.

[–] DrewB2400@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I'm just happy that some people are finally admitting that it wasn't a horse collar tackle. Maybe a Bills fan will eventually do the same.

[–] Kara_Del_Rey@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Wait. I know Eagles fans are biased, but you're unironically trying to say that wasn't a horse collar? It was blatant. Not even the frontal grab, he got him on the back too.

[–] dedriuslol@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah idk where "people are finally agreeing it wasn't a horse collar" is coming from lol. After the jersey pull, he clearly grabs Allen by the back of the shoulder pads and pulls him to the ground that way.

[–] ThisHatRightHere@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The frontal grab where the shirt was torn specifically couldn’t be a horse collar tackle by how the rules define it. The pull on the back is the only spot where it could be argued.

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[–] butterybuns420@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Who’s “admitting it wasn’t a horse collar”? This article doesn’t and NFL network radio hosts all day yesterday and today even their “expert” Dean Blandino said it absolutely was a horse collar and should’ve been flagged.

[–] thenightman4211@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No ones admitting it besides eagles fans lol

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[–] UnspokenFor1@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the same Slay and Bradberry that admitted that WR and CB tug and pull all game between each other , ooh btw the miss TD between Allen & Gabe Davis , Davis literally pushed Slay to get separation.

[–] Papaloxs@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

They also had a lineman illegally down field on a touchdown. Missed calls happen for both teams throughout games. Refs call things differently each week. Your hope is they call the game consistently and the same standards for both teams (let both teams get away with the same stuff, etc.). We were mad about the holding at the end of the Super Bowl because they weren’t calling it all game on either team. Defensive players get an understanding during the game of what is okay and what isn’t for the refs. It’s similar to baseball umpire. They don’t always call a perfect strike zone but you want them to be consistent on what is a ball and what is a strike for both teams.

[–] No_Anything_4978@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

These threads literally never disappoint

[–] cmay91472@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

DPI is kind of like a strike zone in MLB… as long as the referees make it clear how they are going to call it and call it the same way for both teams.

Unfortunately, MLB doesn’t do this well ever and lately NFL referees are struggling with this as well.

[–] Papaloxs@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Problem in football is you have refs on different sides of the field so even if each ref is consistent themselves they may be inconsistent between each other. So things that you get away with on one side may end up being penalties on the other. Football is so fast and these calls are so subjective. Need an eye in the sky.

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[–] Doobie_Howitzer@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

In the words of BG: "It don't matter"

[–] wheretherainbowshide@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Bills fans are giving 49ers a run for their money. Three crucial calls went against the Eagles at the end of the game, two false starts and the debatable RTP. There was a no call on an illegal man downfield on the go-ahead TD. You lost this game because Tyler Bass ain't Jake Elliott, Jalen Carter is incredible, and the Eagles skill position talent won out. And McDermott being a coward, ofc.

[–] Papaloxs@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It’s just the new talking point against any winning team. Blame the refs. Chiefs been getting it for years. I can’t be too hypocritical because I bitch about the refs too. It’s just funny hearing people say the refs like the Eagles. If you’ve watched the Eagles for as long as I have, it’s hilarious because we have more often than not been on the shit side of bad officiating.

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[–] No_Bet_4427@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The problem isn’t that the NFL is fixed.

It’s that the rules are so subjectively and imperfectly applied that there’s no way to prove it’s not fixed.

The NFL should add an instantaneous sky judge, make the officials full time, and add more officials to the field so that more stuff gets seen in real time. The costs are minimal compared to players’ salaries.

Oh, and while they are at it:

  1. Make intentional grounding a real penalty by penalizing 5 yards plus the spot of the foul and loss of down. As is, there’s no real penalty: it gets called maybe 30% of the time, and when called is no worse than a sack;

  2. Fix RTP to get rid of the ridiculous “body weight” and ticky-tacky calls. Let the defense play defense.

  3. Revise the pass interference rules to get rid of gimme calls on under thrown balls where the receiver initiates contact with the DB and tried to go through the DB to get the ball. Pass interference should require the DB to be the primary initiator of contact.

  4. Don’t make defensive holding an automatic first down. Ticky tacky calls on 3rd and forever shouldn’t be an automatic first.

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