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[–] Lifesaboxofgardens@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Refs miss calls all the time.. nobody perfect. But holding an grabbing goes on every play. If they would’ve called it I wouldn’t be mad at all!

Full tweet. Basically what we all know, there could be a flag on every play.

[–] boyyouguysaredumb@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Didn’t the eagles just go yet another entire game without having a holding call against them?

[–] Suddenly_Something@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They're tied for last in the league in both offensive holding and defensive holding.

4 offensive holding calls and 2 defensive holding. If you're curious, Dallas has 14 of each.

[–] AutisticNipples@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

lmao citing Dallas in comparison is a liiiitle misleading given that they are literally most penalized team in the league for defensive holding, and tied for second most in offensive holding.

The league average for defensive holding this season is 4, compared to the eagles 2. The league average for offensive holding calls is 8, compared to the eagles 4.

[–] TrackRelevant@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

that's kind of how comparisons work bud

[–] Vladimir_Putting@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Weird how to the best Oline in the league doesn't hold as often as others.

[–] boyyouguysaredumb@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

yeah but what about the Eagles' oline?

[–] trebek321@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Gotta get yourself that momma kelce plot armor if you want to cut back on those.

[–] Historical_One1087@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

There should have been a flag on that specific play because Slay was holding the WR.

[–] notPatrickClaybon@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Amazing how it’s totally fine for you in this case lol do you not see how favored you’ve been this year or are you gonna pretend it’s not happening?

[–] Background-Cress9165@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Eagles had a great whistle (as in, in their favor) in the bills game. There have also been games theyve had a bad one. That's literally every team.

The only exception i can think of is the chiefs, and thats only bc it seems mahomes gets a key call in crunch time in every game i watch theyre in. I dont watch every game, and they also beat the eagles in the sb, so could be both wrong and salty given biases.

[–] willi1221@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not gonna say we haven't benefited from shitty officiating. But the shit happens every year, and it's highlighted when it benefits the top teams, ESPECIALLY when two top teams are playing each other because everybody and their mom is watching. We all have learned to deal with it, whether it's Tom Brady, the Chiefs, and currently the Eagles benefiting from penalties.

People have complained about the Eagles benefiting this year, but gave us shit after the SB for complaining about the holding on Bradberry to end the game. In the end, excuses are excuses, and everyone has them.

Both teams had a chance to put the game away, and the refs had nothing to do with each team's final play in OT

[–] SharxSharxSharx@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I'm not gonna say we haven't benefited from bad officiating.

People have complained about the Eagles benefiting this year, but gave us grief after the SB for complaining about the holding on Bradberry to end the game.

SHOCKER: People don't like it when one team is constantly benefited by bad reffing. People also don't like it when fans of that team complain about a CORRECT call just because they didn't like the timing of it.

[–] lapuertadepizza@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Should rules be subjective or objective?

[–] Liimbo@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, I think it depends on the rule specifically. There are certain blatantly objective things like lining up past the line of scrimmage, and there are plenty of calls where I do think the refs should have some leeway to interpret such as pass interference.

[–] lapuertadepizza@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Why should they have leeway?

[–] craicraimeis@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No sport will ever be perfectly objective. I think soccer is maybe the only one we can say can really minimize the impact of a ref but even that’s BS.

There needs to be some level of consistency between each ref crew but to think refereeing will ever be completely objective is unrealistic.

[–] lapuertadepizza@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

That isn't what I asked

[–] AutisticNipples@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Baseball definitely the closest, a balk is probably the only call that can't be made objectively, but it's such a minor thing anyway.

[–] Wretched_Shirkaday@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's still a lot of rules in baseball that the written definition of what is and isn't rule breaking is left up to the umps judgement. Check swings, turning to second after reaching first, etc. Soccer has a lot less rules and they're less subjective. Plus MLB umps can just do whatever they want without repercussion.

[–] AutisticNipples@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Agreed, but I think those things are easier to "make objective" in the rulebook than say determining what constitutes a legal/illegal tackle, what behavior deserves a yellow card, etc.

It's hard to officiate what one person is doing, but when you bring physical contact with another person into the mix, i feel like the complexity increases exponentially .

[–] DrewFlan@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Subjective since it's literally not possible for it to be objective.

[–] BounceBros21@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Fuzzy_Yogurt_Bucket@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

The Sauce of the NFC.