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High volume rebounding on bad rebounding teams vs low volume rebounding on good rebounding teams. Domatas Sabonis vs Steven Adams. (alien.top)

submitted 11 months ago by StudentMed@alien.top to c/nba@nba.space

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Steven Adams didn't average double digit rebounds until his 9th year in the league. Yet his teams have always been really good at rebounding.

This has been the ranking of every team Steven Adams have been on in TRB% in order:

4th, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 22nd, 2nd, 1st, 8th

With the exception of 1 year, across 3 different teams, Steven Adams's teams have been ranked in the top 10 best rebounding team in the league every year and the best team in the league twice, as well as 2nd best twice as well. He has never averaged a really high amount of rebounds but I think he is one of the best rebounders in the league and helps box and isn't selfish about getting rebounds.

Now lets look at Domatas Sabonis. In order, here is what Sabonis's teams have averaged in rebounding every year he has been in the league in order:

2nd, 20th, 18th, 24th, 29th, 17/22, 17th, 20th

With the exception of Sabonis rookie year where he was basically a jump shooter and averaged 3.6 rebounds a game, Sabonis's teams have always been in the bottom half of the league in rebounding. Sabonis is seen as a beast rebounder and averaged 12+ rebounds a game since 2019-2020.

Is Sabonis just gobbling up rebounds on bad rebounding teams? Does Steven Adams improve teams rebounds more? Is this just all statistical noise and Steven Adams has just been on teams with better rebounders? They are both veterans at this point and have been in the league for a while so there is a decent sample size.

I got the numbers from flipping through different years on this for those of you that want to verify the numbers yourself.

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[–] jcagraham@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The Kings are 8th in Adjusted Reb Chance. They're actually a pretty decent defensive rebounding team; the counting numbers are low because we shoot a high percentage (...and a bit of it is that the opposing team shoots a high percentage as well lol).

[–] Good_NewsEveryone@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Adams is the anomaly here. One box outs, but it’s even more drastic when you only consider his DREBs vs his defensive rebounding impact. He’s the best OREB guy in the league.

I think Sabonis is also a good rebounder, just in a more traditional way. It’s a more difficult case to make, just on data, that a guy getting a lot of rebs isn’t a good rebounder. It’s just kind of rare. But some data like contested rebounds and adjusted on/off stuff can help

[–] Strange-Ad420@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Adams doesnt stat pad rebounds like most big men and stars, he averages 3.7 offensive rebounds and only 4.5 defensive rebounds, two seasons he literally average more offensive rebounds than defensive rebounds. Playing with Westbrook also took away from his rebounding totals

[–] WonderingCashew@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Adams imo is the best rebounder in the league. The team just does better with him in even if he isn’t getting them. Not to mention the ORebs he somehow pulls out his ass.

Pretty well a one man rebounding machine. Missing him greatly.

[–] birdflag@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Healthy Robin Lopez was historically like Adams as well. Never got a ton of individual boards, but his team’s rebounding percentage was really high while he was on court because he loved boxing out multiple people at once.

[–] atijafereou4@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

So Sabonis is just lucky his team sucks at rebounding? Adams be carrying those good teams on his back for real.