StudentMed

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Why do Sengun and Sabonis get compared to Jokic instead of each other? in c/nba@nba.space
[–] StudentMed@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Sabonis is very strong and heavily favours his dominant left hand. He also gets most of his assists from handoffs and cutters. Sengun is one of the most ambidextrous players in the league and he generates offense and does pg style assists. He is maybe even bolder with his passes than Jokic is. Sengun is much more similar in style to Jokic but is arguably even more pg like due to him diving and kicking out or diving and dunking a lot.

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High volume rebounding on bad rebounding teams vs low volume rebounding on good rebounding teams. Domatas Sabonis vs Steven Adams. (alien.top)
 

Steven Adams didn't average double digit rebounds until his 9th year in the league. Yet his teams have always been really good at rebounding.

This has been the ranking of every team Steven Adams have been on in TRB% in order:

4th, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 22nd, 2nd, 1st, 8th

With the exception of 1 year, across 3 different teams, Steven Adams's teams have been ranked in the top 10 best rebounding team in the league every year and the best team in the league twice, as well as 2nd best twice as well. He has never averaged a really high amount of rebounds but I think he is one of the best rebounders in the league and helps box and isn't selfish about getting rebounds.

Now lets look at Domatas Sabonis. In order, here is what Sabonis's teams have averaged in rebounding every year he has been in the league in order:

2nd, 20th, 18th, 24th, 29th, 17/22, 17th, 20th

With the exception of Sabonis rookie year where he was basically a jump shooter and averaged 3.6 rebounds a game, Sabonis's teams have always been in the bottom half of the league in rebounding. Sabonis is seen as a beast rebounder and averaged 12+ rebounds a game since 2019-2020.

Is Sabonis just gobbling up rebounds on bad rebounding teams? Does Steven Adams improve teams rebounds more? Is this just all statistical noise and Steven Adams has just been on teams with better rebounders? They are both veterans at this point and have been in the league for a while so there is a decent sample size.

I got the numbers from flipping through different years on this for those of you that want to verify the numbers yourself.

Top 25 Players Under 25 As of 11/28, According to EPM in c/nba@nba.space
[–] StudentMed@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

He weighs 185 lbs. Has that thin body type that gets pushed around too easily like a Trae Young, Dlo, Allen Iverson or Jalen Green.

[Serious] Where would Lebron rank in the Top 10 if he only won 1 ring in his entire career? in c/nba@nba.space
[–] StudentMed@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is this ranking the actual best players on the court or top 10 most accomplished players ever?

Kobe would be more accomplished but not the actual better player.

[Pina] Alperen Sengun Has Liftoff in c/nba@nba.space
[–] StudentMed@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

He was listed as 6'11" last year as well on nba.com. He didn't grow as much as people say and Sengun even said so as well saying people just forgot how tall he is in the offseason.

Here is a video last year of Sengun and Jonas Valanciunas literally nose to nose and Valanciunas is listed as 7'0". Sengun is 6'11" but like you said he has a long neck (similar in a way to Bosh and Tyler Hansborough) but his shoulder height is lower and you can see a big shoulder height difference between Jonas and Sengun in that video.

Your 2021 re-draft (Top 10 based on what we know thus far?) in c/nba@nba.space
[–] StudentMed@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

The top 5 you have listed is interchangable. Scottie and Sengun have very hot starts to the season and could make an argument for number 1 and 2 if they continue playing like how they are but if it was last year they not in contension for the top.

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Alperen Sengun is playing at preMVP Jokic levels while he himself is barely 21 years old. (alien.top)
 

Small sample size but so far Sengun has been the best player on the Rockets who are 5-3. He is anchoring a top 10 defense and is the engine of a top 10 offense. He has 19 points, 8.3 rebounds, 6.1 assists to only 2.0 turnovers and has 63.7% TS. Additionally, his advanced stats have been off the rails including WS/48 of .252 and 7.2 BPM which are both top 10 in the NBA. His on/off +/-numbers are insane as well on offense and defense.

Nikola Jokic has always been a beast statistically on both sides of the ball even before his MVP seasons and Sengun has matched it so far. Compare Nikola Jokics stats at 24 years old to a 21 year old Sengun's stats and they are pretty neck and neck. Jokic has better FT%, 3%, rebounding but Sengun has better TS%, and assist/TO ratio.

Jokic will likely be a top 15 nba player when it is all said or done and the chances of Sengun being that just aren't likely. Jokic was pretty stagnant for 4 years before he suddenly took a leap his MVP season and there is no guarantee that Sengun will hit that leap either. There is no guarantee that Sengun keeps playing as good as he has either for the whole year but even if he doesn't he should still get credit for the fact that he played so good so far.

Sengun doesn't have the height of Jokic but Sengun is much more athletic. I have never seen Jokic nearly his head on the backboard while doing a chase down block 2 feet out of the restricted area. Sengun had 77 dunks last year, Jokic had 21. Sengun had 70 blocks last year, Jokic had 47. There is no numbers that prove one player is more athletic than another but these numbers suggest Sengun is the more explosive athlete.

I was conflicted as whether or not I should talk about Sabonis in this thread but I will, I think preMVP Jokic is better than Sabonis. There should be a new meme were preMVP Jokic is Charizard and MVP Jokic is mega Charizard while both Sengun are Sabonis are Charmeleon instead of this