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title, and to be clear I mean for my usecase specifically. Redhat is being absorbed into IBM and i'm a little worried about how that might affect the fedora project. I'm aware that they've been owned by IBM for a while but we are seeing all the typical signs of a company about to go to shit thanks to bad management. I am looking into and preparing to switch in case the fedora project is messed up as well.

I use my pc mainly for gaming (so steam is required) and stuff in my browser and I have a gtx 1650 (can't get new stuff bc i'm broke) so although I don't need the proprietary drivers necessarily, I prefer them. I use KDE with a handful of kwin scripts (like temp virtual desktops and karousel) and some cosmetic stuff like klassy, better blur, and a custom color scheme. I need all of that to remain possible. I currently use fedora kde edition, but I have been looking into immutable distros because I don't know what I'm doing and I want to have a much lower chance of breaking stuff (or at least a way to easily unbreak it). I also want something at least reasonably up-to-date, because I like to get new features quickly. I don't need to get them as fast as something like arch, but ubuntu and debian are way to slow for me.

what do y'all think would work best for me? I've looked at a few things but I haven't been able to find anything but fedora that serves my usecase the way I want it to yet.

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't think Fedora is going anywhere for quite a while. I'd stick with it. If IBM eventually kills it, it'll be far enough in the future that whatever you choose now will no longer the best option.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fedora is its own thing, and unless IBM was RHEL to die, they have to keep kicking resources in, because the majority of non-security contributions come downstream from the Fedora community.

[–] echindod@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago

This assumes IBM will act rationally, which doesn’t have much recent precedence.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

i figure, I just want to be ready if something does happen.

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[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you are worried about corporate ownership and like KDE. Debian is a good stable Distro for your needs.

[–] hallettj@leminal.space 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Since timely updates are an issue, specifically Debian Testing is a good stable distro.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah i run debian sid but i mainly do that to help with bug testing and have timeshift hourly snapahots. Stable with backports and flatpacks should be enough for a normal gamer user.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

Debian testing has way less packages

It also lags slightly behind on security updates

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably no need to rush into anything. It sounds like the reorg is moving a data security team into Red Hat, and isn't necessarily enshittifying anything.

A backup plan is always good, but this could wind up being a nothingburger.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Legal, hr, finance, and accounting is now IBM, and IBM has noted job cuts as part of the cost savings in its profit forecasting.

Engineering, product, sales, and marketing are not making any changes - yet.

I would note that IBM is also now pushing its "enhanced AI" support over speaking with actual people, unless you have an upgraded support tier. Basic support tier can also no longer escalate cases.

I would agree in not needing to rush anywhere, but I would have to say this looks like the start of enshittification for sure.

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, I agree. The big picture is concerning, though this latest instance just happens to not be a red flag. We're not enshittified yet, but it's a short jump depending on IBM's next decisions.

Considering Red Hat's core is development, it's not necessarily a bad thing to merge things like legal, HR, finance, and accounting with IBM's own departments.

The trouble is, once the parent company starts merging some departments, shareholders often push to merge more departments.

If the right people hold sway at IBM, Red Hat won't continue that route to the point of fucking up the OS. But that's a big "if."

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The trouble is, once the parent company starts merging some departments, shareholders often push to merge more departments.

Especially since they are talking about all the money they will save cutting jobs.

Based on the time frames for this, I'm going to guess by the end of 2026 the engineering team will shrink, followed by a 2027 announcement of merging departments for better management, and RedHat basically be just IBM entirely by 2028.

If I still had any servers on RH for work, I'd be planning my moves right about now (personally I started the shift after the 2023 announcement on source code availability, finalized the last three servers in June actually).

Really quite a shame to see how things have changed.

Anyway, I'd suspect there are at least a couple years left before its a mess.

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I'm not panicking, but I agree with everything you said.

I want to believe that someone at IBM realizes what they lost if they fuck up Red Hat, but I'm sure we all know better than to count on it.

It's just a bummer we have to have this conversation at all. Even when a corporation tries to start out on the right foot, odds are stacked in favor of enshittifying.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 3 points 3 weeks ago

i think this sums up what I was getting at a little better than I said it

[–] JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 3 weeks ago

I ditched Fedora because I didn't like the way the wind was blowing. I mention because despite having a bias against Redhat, I agree with most of the sentiment in the comments. I don't think the future of Fedora is in any kind of jeopardy and if you're happy with the distro, you should keep using it.

[–] hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Opensuse tumbleweed if you want stability, rpm packages, and bleeding edge. They also have a fantastic KDE edition.

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

I've been using Tumbleweed for years, and it's great.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm definitely leaning that way so far, are there any major differences from fedora I need to be aware of?

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[–] nik9000@programming.dev 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't think you have to change. But if you want a new hobby, try Arch. I got it just the way I like it years ago and haven't had to change anything. I picked Arch because I always ended up on their wiki anyway.

[–] ZonenRanslite@feddit.org 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

how much easier/less complex is cachy? it looks interesting but I havent tried it.

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[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The Arch wiki is useful not matter what distro you're on.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 2 points 3 weeks ago

even when I was on like tuxedo os it was helpful

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 2 points 3 weeks ago

ive tried arch a couple times but I dont really get a lot of the options and its a bit more technical than I'm looking for.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 7 points 3 weeks ago

If you don’t like bog standard Debian, you might really like Debian Testing.

It allows you to get decently new packages; I’d say typical lag is one week to a couple months depending on the popularity and/or complexity of the project.

I’ve been using it on my desktop for over three years just fine. It’s been quite stable while still getting new software versions in a mostly timely fashion.

Do note though that Testing means Testing; it’s not really concerned with being a rolling release distro, but with preparing for the next release, so there’s a few quirks:

  • Sometimes, a package you’re using gets removed while its dependencies undergo a transition, forcing you to use the Flatpak.
  • When a new stable release starts to get close (usually 6 months), they’ll start what’s called freezes, where they let in progressively less changes until release, after which things start speeding up again.
  • As a general annoyance of anything rolling release-esque, software behavior may change over time, meaning a previously good config can suddenly break, and you have to fix it.

Personally, I’ve grown tired of Debian Testing and rolling release in general; while I still using Testing on my desktop, I’ve thrown Debian Stable on most things I’ve owned since then, and if I really need a newer version of software, I’ll just install the Flatpak or use a container.

[–] illusionist@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you try Kalpa? (opensuse) unfortunately, I don't know in which state it is. Aeon works very well for me. I've used silverblue before and I was surprised how good it is.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

i dont think I have. ive tried leap and tumbleweed or whatever they're called before but I didn't see any reason to use it over fedora at the time.

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[–] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Garuda has been great for gaming, super easy and stable. I landed there after Bazzite and it has been great.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 3 weeks ago

might have to look at that

[–] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] hallettj@leminal.space 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think there are arguments for NixOS for a casual user despite the learning curve reputation. But there are also downsides to consider.

The pros:

  • There is a good, user-friendly installer that makes it easy to get a working system
  • From what I can see setting up KDE is pretty easy - there are configs online that you can paste into configuration.nix without modification
  • NixOS is good for gaming with proprietary drivers and Steam - again it's a matter of pasting a few lines of configuration
  • Like with other distros it's easy to recover if something breaks
  • Unlike with other immutable distros you get a lot of options for tinkering with your system, and experimenting. You can dip your toes into the advanced stuff, going from casual user to Linux expert at your own pace, with the safety line of being able to roll back changes at any time.
  • If you stick to the basics you can have a very stable, very update-to-date system without much difficulty.

The cons:

  • To get the full safety of rolling back a previous point in time you need to ditch channels, and instead use pinned nixpkgs revisions. The best way to do that is probably using flakes - but whatever strategy you use you need to depart from the setup the installer gives you, and learn enough to remake your configuration.
  • You'll find contradictory instructions depending whether they're written for use of channels or flakes.
  • Going beyond the basics of installing packages, and using premade NixOS modules gets you into the infamous learning curve. For example I'm guessing that managing kwin scripts declaratively in Nix config might be an adventure. But managing them by hand the way you do in Fedora might be the same. (I haven't tried this, so I'm not sure.)
  • There is some stuff you have to know, like if you want to run binaries that weren't built for Nix you want to set up nix-ld first.
  • If you're building software you have to learn to do things the Nix way because of the lack of FHS. That's great for Nix fans like me, but frustrating for some.
  • There is no graphical software center, nor automatic updates. You have to use the workflow of installing stuff by editing your config file, and get used to using search.nixos.org to find stuff. This is a pro from the perspective of having a stable system that can be rolled back to earlier states, but might feel less user friendly than a GUI workflow.

Even if you set up flatpak (which is easy to set up tbf) you're probably going to be managing flatpaks using the CLI.

It would be easier for me to recommend NixOS if the installer set up a flake configuration with more niceties pre-installed, like nix-ld. The next best thing would be a de facto standard flake starter configuration for people to copy. But like I said, I think there is a case.

[–] SolarBoy@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

What extra safety do you get by using pinned nixpkgs revisions? And how to do it without flakes (if that's possible?) I'm currently just using the standard configuration. Occasionally had to do a rollback without issues.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd rather just use any distro with Ansible for configuration

[–] hallettj@leminal.space 2 points 3 weeks ago

I've done that too, and it's not the same IMO. Ansible doesn't put entries in the boot loader for older system states you can boot into in case you break something. It's possible that Ansible configurations aren't idempotent. The exact versions of packages that get installed can't easily be managed with Ansible if you're also regularly updating packages. There's lots of stuff that is much easier to configure with NixOS and Home Manager. I found my Ansible configs were always out of date, which doesn't happen with NixOS where editing the config file is how you make any system changes.

[–] mikedd@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Is nobody using Ubuntu (just wondering)? 🤔

[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Ubuntu's not "cool." Personally I don't care for GNOME or the theming in general. Also snaps are not popular. I do like the Debian base though, so I just use Debian KDE.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 4 points 3 weeks ago

snaps! hiss

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ubuntu desktop is only gnome based. They modify it pretty heavily before shipping it.

If you don't care for the gnome workflow that is fine but if you have issues with the Ubuntu desktop it is probably caused by Ubuntu.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 3 weeks ago

true, but imo its even worse on Ubuntu. i just like KDE better

[–] who@feddit.org 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I did for quite a while, since it was basically Debian with some extras that I found useful. (The PPA build farm and server, for example.) Then they started forcibly replacing native packages that I used with snaps, which caused me more trouble than I was willing to tolerate, so I switched to Debian Stable.

I still have family members using Ubuntu. I'll probably migrate them to Debian eventually, but there's no hurry, since their needs are pretty basic.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In my experience some packages are also broken such as podman

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

It is either dead or dying

It is still pops up from time to time but isn't what it used to be

[–] b00g13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

I do and find it stable and comfortable, but for most those two things make it boring i suppose :D

[–] Drewmeister@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I've not been on linux for long, but I like my kubuntu system. Took a bit of fiddling (non standard video drivers, non standard Proton for steam, wayland was buggy on my hardware), but now it's been working a treat for both gaming and productivity.

Judging by the sentiments for Ubuntu on here, I feel like it's unfairly maligned. It seems like everyone wants Linux to be easier to adopt by the masses, but they don't like the distros that fill that niche.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago

Mint is pretty popular and that's not much other than reskinned Ubuntu

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 3 weeks ago

i dont like ubuntu, both stock and as a base for something else. my experience with distros based on it has been pretty bad, and given the choices canonical tends to make I dont think they are heading in a direction I like.

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[–] entwine@programming.dev 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

KDE recently released their own immutable distro based on Arch. It's still early though, so maybe use Bazzite or Kinoite in the meantime.

OpenSUSE MicroOS is another immutable like Fedora Atomic, and you can use it as a desktop.

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