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Wow, so it actually takes some time to develop chemistry?

Big if. One year ago Utah was the top seed in the west,

An overpay for me is when you pay more than you could have for a player. Gobert was an overpay and will always be since he net the Jazz about the same as teams got for guys like Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant or Paul George.

Now the question that you ask looks more like - was it worth it, even if an overpay? I think one Finals appearance for a team like the Wolves is probably enough. Sustainable playoff success for like 3 years (1-3 series wins) with one Finals appearance in that period is def enough for that trade to be positive.

Forget about the finals I’ll be happy just to see us win a playoff series.

I still think it was a slight overpay but my god is it worth it to the wolves their defenses has become night and day better compared to pre-Gobert

Yes, it's still an overpay because they could have paid less and still gotten Gobert.

Geez, I don't understand how people don't understand this. What Gobert ends up doing or doesn't is irrelevant. It's what the conditions were at the time.

I was just talking about this a week or two ago with my boys. A WCF appearance would make it a win in my book.

He did kinda shift the culture in Minny which is prob the most important thing in sports. Same reason you can't ever tell me the Kings lost the Sabonis trade, they were in a dark place before and got back to relevance with him.

My fault wolves I didn’t think that it would work . Truly believed second round exit at most but rn and in a few years with more experience definitely contenders or even right now

Quite ironic too since the Draymond stock is free falling with no end in sight.

Now just imagine Walker Kessler playing center instead of Rudy Gobert.

And the defense being just as good.

And the offense better.

And spending $30 million less per year on the center position.

And having several additional good role players.

And having all your future draft picks instead of none of them.

Turns out 64 hours in darkness underground is the best base for basketball.

If Team X that's not terrible for the first time in ages can make the Finals

November

Yup, that's r/NBA

If they make the finals this year; are we still saying it was an overpay?

Success and overpaying can both be true. The trade can work out and be good for the organization, but this will always be an overpay no matter what because the Wolves gave up multiple more draft picks than anyone thinks is reasonable. The players given up are negligible at least, especially compared to the Cavs giving up Markkanen for Mitchell.

The goal is to win basketball games, not hoard draft picks

According to some on this sub, it is the worst trade in any sport ever, and nothing will change that

If they win it all then definitely not an overpay but that trade was a championship or bust kind of deal.