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Pat Riley suffering from the Masai Illness

Nobody knows what miami offered. Won’t stop heat fans from pretending to know, doesn’t matter anymore anyways

What’s done is done, or not in this case. Why keep bringing it up 18-20 games into the season? All teams have moved on..

This is clearly made up

What Caleb did was the biggest pump in NBA history and it's not being discussed enough in my opinion. To go from a role player to an all star in the conference finals is something to be studied.

This is out of context. Riley would have traded Caleb Martin for Dame in a second, but Portland wasn’t interested in Miamis players, and Miami was hesitant about trading everything for Dame.

Herro was averaging 26/6/5 before the ankle sprain. Duncan is averaging 14/3/3 on great efficiency. Jaquez is averaging 11/4/3 on great efficiency, and 15ppg over his last 10 games.

Caleb has been injured most of this year, but he’s coming off a playoffs where he could have been ECF MVP.

You also have Jovic and multiple picks that could end up being good and it’s understandable why Riley wouldn’t want to give it everything up for a 33 year old pg, even though he’s great.

Yeah and the main reason was that Cronin refused to even speak with the Heat and would rather destroy the bridge with Lillard than send him to where he wanted to go. We've known this for months, but I guess Bucks fans wanted to circle jerk themselves raw after their W last night

That along with them wanting Bam, or Herro and tons of picks

God, every time stuff like this comes up, it becomes so obvious that most of r/nba (INCLUDING heat fans) has no clue about how corporate transaction negotiation actually happen.

Things arent linear IRL. This not 2k where you put in an offer, they reject, so you put in another offer. Its not flea market or used car haggling.

People read this and imagine that Portland simply said "if you throw in caleb, we'll give you dame" and Miami just said "nah". Context and dynamics matter

Words like "worth" and "entitled" and "respect" and "value" get thrown around, but they mean nothing in a live deal. All that matters is the market

People kept complaining that Miami was not offering enough, that how dare they try to get Dame for as little as possible. That is literally THEIR JOB, to try to get as much as you can for as little as you can.

You dont pay what you think something is worth-- you pay a penny more than what the other guy is paying, or than what the seller is willing to give it up for.

If the read is that the market is thin and the counterparty doesnt have leverage, you can make a calculated risk in offering less. If they dont bite, then thats okay-- thats been factored into your expected value calculation.

You make a calculated business decision and it doesn't go your way. That happens. But it's not some moral failing or a sign of being an entitled asshole

Not getting Dame isnt a sign that Miami "felt entitled" or is "greedy" or whatever other value judgments people loved to throw around. It's a sign that either they read the market wrong, they lost a dice roll, there wasnt complete engagement, or all/some of the above

AND conversely, Portland not engaging isnt necessarily a sign of Cronin being a stubborn bitch or being in his feelings or whatever else Miami fans were saying

Zero of it is value and principle. It's all emotionless STRATEGY, plain and simple

(Few people really get to understand in depth what it means to say "its not personal, its business". I've both received and executed negotiation moves that would be considered "assholish" in regular P2P life. And no one, literally no one, has ever reacted emotionally to them. Theyre all just moves on a board. Its whats expected)

everytime i hear 'caleb martin' i always think of this guy:

https://youtu.be/nfN57ZEVxsY?t=33