Britain jumps into bed with Palantir in £1.5B defense pact : technology

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 87 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Oh look, it's that one world government the conservatives always cried about.

[–] Cassanderer@thelemmy.club 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For your job application attach a certified copy of your palantir Social score...

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

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We regret that we, or any of our partner agencies which represent every major employer, will not be able to hire you at this or anytime in the future.

[–] other_cat@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago

Ahh, Manna.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Conservatives always -hate- deficit spending ... or anything else ... when someone else is doing it. Else it's right and noble and good.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 86 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Palantir is one of the most evil capitalism companies I have ever seen.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

I’m fairly certain it’ll be renamed Cyberdyne at some point soon

[+] Fizz@lemmy.nz -60 points 2 months ago (7 children)

There is nothing evil about palantir as a company or business model. They are a highly skilled big data analytics firm and just ingest clients data and output useful metrics.

The evil is the client(governments) intention to collect and use this kind of data. Which has nothing to do with capitalism and is only happening due to liberalism being on the way out.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You clearly know nothing or feign ignorance about its creator/CEO, Peter Thiel, who is evil, with evil intent, and evil aspirations.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I guess there was nothing evil about GM and Ford supplying Nazis with vehicle parts (Henry Ford got a 'golden eagle' award from Adolf!) before WW2. Just good business, right?

Nothing evil about IBM supplying them with punch cards to keep track of the Jewish either, right?

[+] Fizz@lemmy.nz -11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The evil there is the Nazi's so Im not going to talk about "most evil" and point to Ford when the Nazi's are standing right next to them.

We can easily chain together support to call anyone evil but thats stupid and unproductive. I'll draw the line at the person committing the evil act being evil. Are people who hold raytheon stock evil? Are people who work for the government under Trump evil? Are the people who made food for Nazi's evil? Where do you draw your line?

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Amazing. If you build and sell tools to commit horrible crimes against humanity, that's all cool, it's just good business actually as long as someone else is pushing the button.

Kindergarteners have more robust ethics than this.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What are the horrible crimes against humanity that make Palantir the most evil company in the world and be specific.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Sure, here is a specific response to your question: This isn't ChatGPT you fuck. And since you proudly do not care, why would I spend any more time on you than to write this comment.

[–] Dirac@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

Congratulations, this was the best comment I’ve read all fucking week. 😂

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So you have no idea and youre just emotionally reacting to headlines and slop articles.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nice try. Now go troll elsewhere.

[–] Dirac@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Instead of answering this question, I’ll direct you to some tangential research that may help you answer this question yourself. I’d like you to read a bit on different ethical frameworks (you can just wiki that one), then I’d like you to apply that to some of the openly available policies, contracts and practices of the company. At that point you should have your answer. Thank you in advance for doing your own research 😉

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for letting me know you can't answer the question at the start

[–] Dirac@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well let me just ask you a question: how much say should an AI have in the decision to kill a human being? What percentage do you think is appropriate?

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What makes you think you can measure the % say an AI has in the decision to kill a human? Even if we pretend "it had 100% say" was true it wouldnt matter, it would still be a human that ordered the deployment and be responsible for the decision.

[–] Dirac@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://youtu.be/A0X4O49cY4o

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dont get me started on how dumb that video is. Video essay slop.

[–] Dirac@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago

Lmfao u funny

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 months ago

Palantir could refuse to accept the mandate and the money, but they didn't. So the governments are evil, and so is Palantir

[–] donalonzo@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

This is mental gymnastics on an olympic level.

[–] Prox@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nah fuck them. They black box said analytics, making any kind of audit of the decisions impossible. This is HORRIBLE, especially in the contract of government and health care.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -4 points 2 months ago

Not true. They absolutely let auditors go through the work especially for big clients like government. There is a ton of 3rd party audits that asses if palantir actually provided value and improvement in their contract.

Nothing is "black box" if you have the money.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

So palantir analyses pretty sensitive data, for instance health data from NHS. They may not be able to share the data itself but are there any safeguards against them using the knowledge they gain from these analyses to consult health insurance companies for outrageous amounts of money so insurance companies can fuck people even more by grinding stats?

Same goes for them analysing surveillance data. Any safeguards against Palantir consulting fascist political parties on results of these analyses so they can more efficiently carry out fear mongering?

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Normally id say data protection laws but the administration does not care to prosecute laws.

Palantir says they dont share data between clients and I'm inclined to believe them because there is no evidence they do and it would be a huge break in the norms and most likely drive away a lot of their clients. Their business model is not consulting based on mystery data, its building software pipelines to clean and interpret the clients current data.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well these kind of companies are great at finding loopholes. Not sharing data and not consulting using your overall understanding of the playing field is different. And in most cases the latter means "refined understanding of statistical analyses" which is what most other companies needing data will be interested in.

I do agree that their main business model is analysing data for clients but that does not mean that they can't generate more revenue by other means. It seems like many big tech companies have a facade of a service that they provide but they have a lot of mechanisms behind the service that generates revenue for them. See Facebook, twitter etc whose data/platform has been used countless time to steer political decisions (unfortunately used mostly by right wing organizations).

most likely drive away a lot of their clients.

You would think so but today there are still left leaning politicians, academicians etc using twitter, about a year after Felon Musk started extreme right wing fear and war mongering. All Palantir needs to do is amass sensitive and critical data across many different fields and consult interested parties (without breaking any of the contracts so they are not liable). It will be ages before they will start losing enough clients that their main business model will become unprofitable. Anyway, by then they will likely have enough money/influence to hop anywhere they want.

I know this is all circumstantial so I will finish by adding one more circumstantial data. Look at the picture below and tell me Palantir will play fair with all the extremely sensitive knowledge it gains across defense, health, energy, transport etc

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This is an accurate assessment. Companies will do what they can to make more money, it's that simple. The fact that the clients choose to use it for evil doesn't make a difference.

Granted, if their product wasn't available, then governments would buy it, but still, it's just another company taking advantage of what their clients want and profiting from it.

Samsung makes shit devices that steal all your data and sell that data for more profit. The same devices are made with planned obsolescence in mind. If you buy Samsung devices that's on you, not them.

[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"Companies will do what they can to make more money" Yea, including evil shit. Like palantir.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 52 points 2 months ago

Fools.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Meanwhile, average Britons are fighting over migrants and lgbt. What I find is that none of those politically opinionated on these ever talk about economics. Odd, that people seemed to have talked less about taxing the rich and wealth inequality than before. Gee, I wonder if it's because surveillance capitalism and techno-feudalism want people distracted from the theft of ordinary people's wealth by the rich?

[–] hector@lemmy.today 28 points 2 months ago

This deal would have been part of the agreements made with the US Administration. Part of the capitulation to illiberal forces.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 27 points 2 months ago

Every time I see any reference to the UK I'm expecting to see more bullshit surveillance and censorship. And so, here we are.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Stupid idea.

Probably not as stupid as Brexit though. I mean, we’ll see.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Stupid" does not apply here, unless you have an alternative version of reality. Corrupt politicians with no morals will sell the country if they get a cut, regardless of how it might affect those around the world, having only a selfish interest (for reelection purposes and whatnot) in the relative well-being of the citizens. This is logical and expected... they're not stupid, they're just amoral, selfish, greedy, unrepenting and inhumane folks. 🤷

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Okay, that.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 14 points 2 months ago

Makes me puke.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s pretty clear our ship is going to sink with the American Empire.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But Brittania is still dear to our hearts, innit?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

1000002038

Brittania you say?

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Nice. Very, very cool.

[+] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fucking idiots

[+] Auth@lemmy.world -11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They have a good offering. From the demos and feedback their intel platform is solid. I wonder if this will be adopted by the rest of NATO.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

Can they stop democracy getting in the way of profits for important people who buy their products ?

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