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[–] BCBoy911@lemmy.ca -2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

If this lady can't even commit to stopping a genocide, then what makes you all think she would have saved democracy? Whenever I see her speak I think of the scene from Breaking Bad: you are not the guy!

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 83 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, we know. Those folks are just reminding you, why.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 99 points 1 week ago (48 children)

And wow, Trump is so much better than Harris would have been for Gaza!

Gaza was a stupid cause to get hung up on, I am not saying it isn't important, it is extremely important, but letting the cheeto win just to spite Harris for not supporting Gaza enough was stupid

[–] BCBoy911@lemmy.ca -2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

What makes you think she would be any different from Trump on Palestine? Everything Trump is doing right now is a continuation of the Biden-Harris policy of letting Israel commit genocide with absolutely no pushback.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 week ago

Oh, I am with you, friend. Unfortunately, being on the same side as him, just "not as bad", definitely didn't do her campaign any favors. Especially among low information voters, who are really just taking everyone at their word. While Trump was boldly asserting himself as anti-war, Harris was just giving vague, wishy-washy answers, that relied on far too much nuance. American voters don't like to think that hard.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

They should invent some kind of an intermediary layer between the voters and the elections to ensure that demagoguery and sensationalism cannot prevail. That would fix everything.

/s for the kids who skipped civics

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I agree on the sarcasm of it not working one bit, but that layer should also have been completely irrelevant, the real problem is that Trump is a sociopathic criminal that was never arrested for his crimes. Not even when he attempted a coup.
A fucking traitor, who was allowed to run again, despite it was clearly illegal, and he should have been in prison.

Seen from Europe the problem is not just that Trump was elected, it's the complete failure throughout American society to stop him.
The judicial failed, congress failed, and the people failed.
Also the democratic process within the Republican party failed, where they have turned away completely from traditional Republican, American and democratic values. AND we saw similar problems in the democratic party with Biden not stepping down as promised, and back when Bernie was running.

Problem is that the entire system AND the majority of the population are toxic, and Trump is allowed to act way outside the scope of his presidential powers, and clearly contrary to the constitution without being stopped.

The roundup of immigrants and detainment without seeing a judge, and being sent to prison in foreign countries alone, is violation of the constitution on 3 counts. Yet it is allowed to continue!?!?!

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Read the room Harris and stop justofying your mistakes

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[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I absolutely despise trump. With that said, I hope we never see her as president. She's insanely out of of touch with the common folk. I'd much rather see AOC or that Texas democrat dude with the ears

[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I will take any functioning adult who I can not easily visualize mentally as a 1940's German officer.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Not surprising after she banned Gazan supporters and a local Democrat legislator at her own DNC rally.

Absolute garbage mound of a candidate and campaign that completely deserves to be thrashed by the very constituency she refused to acknowledge.

Bunch of you failure shills in this comments still thinking this was a progressive candidate need to look at literally any of her responses to questions about public policy. Nothing but a 1:1 copy of Biden's equally shit tier response to major internal and external issues, and very obviously way more right leaning than Obama.

I still remember some of you outright denying the existence of Gaza protestors at DNC events, as if any news outlet reporting it was a Russian compromised asset, and any user on lemmy.world supporting such action was a lemmy.ml Chinese spam bot in disguise.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Same people attacking any suggestion that their inaction let the orange monkey back into the WH. But hey, 'it wasn't me who voted him in', right?

[–] breadguy@kbin.earth 21 points 1 week ago (22 children)

people made it clear that supporting genocide was a line they wouldn't cross, this was apparent even without the polls. how are we still blaming voters when the dems still refused to adjust position? they chose Israel over winning, that's completely on them.

[–] Aquaphobi@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yeah it’s bullshit. I voted third party because dems decided Israel is worth supporting. But let’s be mathematically accurate here.

Even if all the people who DID vote that did not vote republican had voted for the democrat, there would not have been enough electoral college influence to affect the outcome.

You would have needed more non-voters to vote. But a non-voter then was probably a never-voter. There are people that exist who simply don’t care one way or the other who is in charge and you can’t convince those people to go vote. Sure you can try, but in the end it’s the people who did vote who get what they voted for.

Regardless of all of that I find the “you should have voted democrat” argument to be exceptionally stupid. The democrat party is backing a government that I find to be morally reprehensible, as do most Americans, what should have happened is those who were saying “yeah it’s bad but I’m still gonna vote dem” should have just voted for a third party. Why vote against your interests?

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[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Who has the video when she was doing a rally for her campaign and protester said free Palestine and she shut them down ?

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (9 children)

She could have been if she didn't fuck up the Gaza situation...

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Anyone who didn't vote out of protest did far more to "fuck up the Gaza situation" than she did.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

While I think "protest not voting" is bad (considering the alternatives), so is giving even more weapons to a genocidal state.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

This is just patently false but way to pin the blame for her actions on random individuals with no power to change anything.

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition

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[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Kamala Harris ran on a pro-genocide platform and was very supportive of Israel. This was one of the reasons why she lost.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Here we go again with the “we hate Israel so we won’t vote for Kamala and allow Trump to win so he can supply Israel with more bombs” crowd. Brother the entire ticket was pro Israel. Stop blaming this one issue as the reason she lost.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The person said "one of the reasons", as in one reason out of many. Sorry to be flippant, but jeez, people really need to learn to read.

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (11 children)

But how can it be one of the reasons when her opponent was way worse on this issue, and all the other issues

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[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

What, specifically, was the "pro genocide platform"? Because I remember that election pretty well, and I don't recall any advocacy of genocide, at least not from Harris.

Let's be honest for one second. Here's how American politics on Israel actually breaks down:

Democrats: often criticize Netanyahu but never actually cut off aid. However, several Democrats already opposed continuing aid to Israel and the rest of the party conceivably could listen to growing opposition to Israel's war.

Republicans: actively hate all poor brown people and want Israel to kill them all. They will also use deportations and any other means available to silence anyone voicing opposition to said killing of all poor brown people.

I get that neither choice is perfect, but I really can't see why it's a struggle.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago

You’re so caught up in left vs right that you fail to see that they are two sides of the same coin. Democrat waffling paves the way for Republican atrocities. The two parties act in concert to enact the interests of the ruling class. The only way we are getting out of this is if we abandon the framework they have indoctrinated us in, and start seeing the world clearly, as a struggle between those who have against those who have not.

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[–] Licksrocks@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump is doing a fantastic job supporting Israel in her place

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[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This thought process makes no fucking sense though because the other guy did too...

Kamala was very obviously the "better" choice for Palestine.

Yes, she's still a shit choice for Palestine.

But I don't understand this logic, this person is going to let a genocide happen if we elect them, the other guy is going to let a genocide and a fascism happen.

Someone make it make sense

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world -2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

A whole lot of people wont vote for war criminals of any party, its that simple. If Harris had half a brain she would have read the polls and known she had no route to victory in supporting Israel.
If you want to now cry and point fingers, go ahead. You got maneuvered into supporting war crimes and now you want to pretend to be better than other people. You're down in the mud with the rest of us. You're no better or worse, but you are being a smug jerk with nothing to be smug about. Thats pathetic.

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[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago (33 children)

Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un are “laughing at us right now.”

And they're loving the goons continuing their antidemocratic work of perpetually attacking Harris. Crisis averted: a black woman didn't get in the hot seat where she could have actually moved the needle toward progress. True progressives understand why Rosa Parks was picked even though she wasn't first. The purity test bullshit on the left is a successful bait campaign by the right.

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The purity test bullshit on the left

Dems aren't on the left

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