Some people think CEOs are too tall
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Some think they breathe too much oxygen
Of course he does, it's Capitalism, which will always incentivize firms to get as many people as possible, to pay as much as possible, for as little as possible.
I'm so glad I feel no need to actually go to concerts.
I've been to 2 since 2017 or 2018. Rammstein for the show they put on (was a lot of fun and this was before the allegations; wouldn't go see them now) and then there's an Estonian hip hop band that got back together for a reunion tour, a decade after they were last active. So I went to see them, as their shit was actually good.
Now that I got those done, I doubt I'll be going to another concert or festival anytime soon. There's only a few artists I'd want to go see live and the biggest one is notorious for NOT doing world tours and another one already did my country this summer when I couldn't attend.
Key part is I only want to see artists live whose shows are special, or childhood favorites that are still active.
Me too. I haven't been to a show in 10-ish years. Don't miss it at all.
Aren’t Live Nation the Astroworld guys? Yeaaahh not gonna give those guys any credence whatsoever
Not just Astroworld, they do most concerts in the US and a bunch outside of it.
Live Nation has been linked to at least 200 deaths and 750 injuries at its events in seven countries since 2006. From 2016 to 2019, they had also been cited for at least ten OSHA violations, fined for several more serious incidents, and sued civilly at least once for a concert incident.
Too many concerts are not about the music anymore, too many events are becoming overinflated. And thus overpriced.
I watched parts of a Katy Perry show on TV lately: with every song came different costumes, lights, fire and explosion effects, acrobats, lasers, smoke, vehicles, waterfalls, bubbles, confetti, inflatables, whatnot onto the stage... It was a total mess and utterly exaggerated.
Are people really all so numb that they need these extreme overstimulations to feel something?
Depends on the band. Popular trendy groups are going to have a lot of gee-whiz effects. I’ve probably been to a dozen shows over the last few years and seen zero fireworks, and the only costume change was a singer taking off a jacket after getting too hot on stage.
Meanwhile the local band is performing for 50 bucks and a couple of free drinks
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Ffs man, the prices are out of control for concerts. Live Nation needs to have their monopoly broken up.
This for sure. Once they consolidated everything, they raised the ticket fees and the venue fees for artists. They charge more and most artists makes less. Live Nation is a textbook example of a monopoly fucking over the consumer.
This timeline is weird
Thieves are just there out on the open bragging how they steal, and then just taunt people with saying that they'll come back and steal some more
Yet he doesn't get jailed?
I appreciate what you're saying, but nobody is forcing anyone to buy tickets.
Stop going to arena shows! That's it! It's not even that hard, support small(er) local venues. If you have to miss massive band/artist, que sera. If the band doesn't give a shit, then it's not worth it anyway.
Do you live outside of the United States or something? Or just not go to concerts? Live Nation owns almost all of the small venues too. They've bought nearly everything out, and the few remaining independent venues are on life support. And if you're a local band, good luck. 20 years ago, venues would pay you to play. But now you have to pay them like $200 just for the privilege of playing at a small venue with a 350 person capacity. In my city less than 20 years ago, I remember being able to walk downtown in the music district on any day of the week, and there would be over a dozen venues right next to each other all playing something different. It could be a Tuesday night. Music was everywhere, and tickets were $6-20. But there was also tons of free stuff. But after the venues all got bought out, that all stopped. There's not enough big money in music 7 days every week. A lot of venues now only have shows as little as twice a month. And then they'll want to charge $70+.
Why shouldn't we be outraged? Music culture is being destroyed. Your "stop going to shows" solution isn't a solution. Nobody is going to concerts several times in a week anymore. What there once was has been destroyed. Live Nation needs to die.
Do you live outside of the United States or something
Uh... Most people do, luckily
Why shouldn’t we be outraged? Music culture is being destroyed. Your “stop going to shows” solution isn’t a solution. Nobody is going to concerts several times in a week anymore.
Well clearly a lot of people are still going to a lot of concerts unfortunately. Maybe if your country ever gets a more sane government, there will finally be an anti-trust case against LN. But honestly that is so unlikely, y'all are just gonna have to start shooting more CEOs. Maybe someone will do this guy next.
Edit: So apparently there IS an ongoing anti-trust lawsuit that started in 2024, but now all he needs is to pay Trump the usual fee, so idk how it's going to end up.
Outside of the US, stuff is at least not as bleak. It's a bit harder to destroy things that have been established for so long. Like in New Orleans, things had been established for a long time and it took a natural disaster (Katrina) to destroy the independent venues. But there are no protections against late stage capitalism in the US. Often, taxes alone will destroy independent venues. And yeah, I don't have any hope in the US government doing anything to help. It would sooner call all music a form of terrorism and make it illegal.
I was just in a hotel last night and a local band was performing for free.
Can you believe that? I didn't have to pay anything, I wasn't even a guest!
But let's be honest, going to shows for most people is so that they can say they went to the show. It's part of the culture of consumption and exclusivity where you need to spend money in order to be part of the conversation.
Fuck that attitude, its wrong, they're a bunch of greedy fucks that are extortioning fans
This goes for grand arena concerts but also for concerts in smaller venues. Seeing your favorite band, any band, big or small, is already unaffordable for me, and I'm considered fucking upper middle class. Going to a concert of a small band that is even remotely known in a small theater costs 100-200 dollars minimum through any of these fucksites like ticket master which is just insane.
I agree with everything you said. How do you propose sticking it to them?
I'm going to check out a band in November, $30 a ticket, at Kung Fu Necktie in Philadelphia. Not a TM venue. It's a band I really want to see and so it's so much sweeter that it's not a TM venue.
I try to find the "local" venues that are near me (90m away or less) and just see who they have coming to town. I see bands on the schedule and look them up and hope they're just not bad.
I'm mad too though. It's fucking bullshit. And it's even more bullshit that bands that I like are playing arenas when they have no business doing so. I hate that we've somehow moved to everyone should play arenas now. I just don't want to go to shows like that, I can't support it.
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If y'all keep paying them, they'll assume you can pay more. Every big business takes a such as possible from you.
I go to a lot of live music shows but I haven’t purchased a TicketMaster or Live Nation ticket in forever. I don’t see huge bands because they are prohibitively expensive but I get to see a lot of really fun shows and experience a far more engaged crowd.
You're doing it right. The way to deal with overpriced concerts and scalpers is to vote with your wallet. Don't buy overpriced tickets. Don't buy from scalpers. Nobody needs to go see a particular artist at a particular concert, I don't care how much you "love" them, or that you might never see them on tour again, you don't NEED that. Let it go. Let go of the FOMO. Step one of defeating scalpers is to remove their market. If they cannot make money, they will not exist.
vote with your wallet
This is kind of non-sensical, in this context.
The "huge bands" that the previous commenter was talking about are huge, because people already voted for them with their wallets. The smaller bands get "less votes".
In what way is it nonsensical? Does the fact that other people spend their money in a different way prohibit you from changing your own behavior? Do you think I am trying to convince every Swiftie in the world to never attend another Taylor Swift concert? Do you think I imagine that is a realistic goal? Or am I talking specifically to you, an individual user on Lemmy with free will and perhaps self-control?
Place your vote where you want it, achieve the goals you personally find important. Change your perspective on what winning a vote means. This isn't an election. You don't have to be in the majority to win.
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Honestly smaller local shows are so much better anyway. I’d go see some local band at the dive down the street over a stadium show any day.
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I mean from an economics standpoint if people are willing to pay higher prices on tickets being resold then they are underpriced. The price people are willing to pay is the "true" value of the thing. Personally I think concerts are too expensive even at list prices but artists are consistently selling out venues at these prices and even higher because people are paying more for tickets on secondary markets. Obviously there are people for whom seeing Taylor Swift is actually worth over a thousand dollars, and to be honest, if that's how much it is worth to them there's not much you can do to stop them from going, and I'm not sure I even want to. I might go see Taylor Swift for $40 a ticket just for the experience but is that really worth denying it to some super fan willing to pay 10x that? I won't get nearly as much from the experience as they will, and it's obviously not worth it to me.
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It's 2025 and people can't boycott a company that over sells tickets, saying "I can't miss Taylor Swift".
Well I think he's stealing too much of our oxygen & should be stopped.
Underpriced for who? 😑
Personally I rarely go to concerts any more, part of that is life circumstances part of it is I just can't justify the prices.
The thing is he's probably right, people are buying the tickets, people are scalping tickets and making a profit, therefore there are people willing to pay more than face for the tickets, on that basis he's right.
Doesn't make it fair, doesn't make it morally right, doesn't make it healthy for the industry.
Well I think live nations CEO could use a bullet in a non non vital area to make him rethink his position
Millionaire willing to pay higher prices for luxuries because they aren’t worried about money. How shocking.
The CEOs pay requires that belief of them, and so they are not free. They are in fact, yet another entrapped enemy of humanity, enmeshed as gears in a system.
When they stop making bread and games available, the jig is almost up.
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