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Nazism isn't even banned. Just look at all the fucking nazis in the governments of the world.

The only illegal group I am aware of, in the states anyway, is the KKK. And they still fuckin' exist too! 😬

Because up until recently Zionists weren't committing a genocide

IMO all religion that says you're entitled to shit should be banned from practicing publicly

And it would be easier and more fair to just ban all orginized religion

Nazism is only outright banned in a few democratic countries. Even in ones where it is, like Germany, there are parties that skirt around it, like AfD. Who are getting uncomfortably popular, BTW.

It's very hard to actually ban an ideology even in heavily authoritarian countries. Doubly so when it's something that's really hard to define, like Fascism. And no, the Ur-fascism paper isn't even the final word on that subject.

AIPAC

Are you writing about Russia?

Europe is America's bitch and America is israel's bitch

How do you even define that? Why is pro Russianism not banned?

What should they do after you have been found guilty of Zionism?

PS Nazism ist not banned, it's alive and well.

Because the zionists didn't do the holocaust.

Zionism unlike the Nazis is not a threat to western democracy. They want a Jewish state in the Middle East, which is not part of the West. As long as the West is not involved, it usually does nothing or just some arms export bans on the countries and some sanctions on leaders. Currently that is happening in Sudan, which is about as bad as Gaza, but has really nothing to do with the West. There is nothing about it in the news at least in the West.

The real intressting part is more that the West is not sitting on the sitelines, but is somewhat aiding Israel. It obviously depends on the country and some do not do it at all. However even so, you see Western countries moving away from Israel. All but the US that is.

IMO it's because the western oligarchs are making bank selling military tech to israel.

Looking at America, obviously Nazism isn't banned, we have elected a ton of the fuckers.

What Israel is doing nowadays IS different from what the NAZIs did: the Zionists aren't yet attacking the "superior" races.

The Humanitarianism in Western "Democracies" was always performative, the least democratic the nation the more performative it was, which I why generally you see the most support for Israel in the countries with the least democratic voting systems like the US and the UK (though present day Germany is a bit of an exception to this since they have a mixed voting system with a Proportional Vote component).

Way back in the beginning of NAZIsm the European and American elites loved the NAZIs and their ideas (for example, there is a picture of young British Princess Elizabeth, later Queen Elizabeth, being taught how to do a NAZI salute by her uncle, the then King) and it was only when the NAZIs attacked other Europeans that they turned against the NAZIs. This actually makes lots of sense as the NAZI ideas of the inherent superiority of some over others, especially along ethnic lines, were normalized in early XXth Century American and European society and very popular amongst the old-wealth elites (which naturally saw themselves as inherently superior to the rest, as that explained their higher status and priviledges in their societies - they deserved to be born into wealth because they were superior people)

We're looking back at the NAZIs from the end of a long track that included a period of propaganda heavilly against them which was necessary to inspire the population to support the war effort against them - in the period betwen then and now all the shit they did came out and none of it was reframed to seem justifiable (as is being done right now for the Zionist Genocide by many politicians and news media), quite the contrary: through some of the most powerful means to do so - dramatic films - we were made to experience and empathize with some of the pain of the victims of the Holocaust, mainly the Jewish (curiously, that of the Roma and Sindi was pretty much ignored) as well as repeatedly made to feel pride in the actions of the men and women that fought against the NAZIs in WWII and in the Resistance movements in places like France (just compare the portrayal of the Resistance Française to how Hamas is being portrayed)

I have little doubt that had the NAZIs just sticked to exterminating "lesser races" (like in the eyes of just about every Racist out there the Zionists are doing), the "pragmatism" (read, treating Principles as secondary to the Economic interests of the elites and themselves) of those in "Democratic" governments would have a lot of them justifying, reframing, denying and excusing the murderous actions of the NAZIs and claiming they didn't really do a Genocide, same as they do now for the murderous actions of the Zionists.

By the way, this also explains the massive difference in the reaction to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the reaction to the Israeli Genocide in Gaza, even though the latter is thousands of times more murderous for civilians.

Being a Nazi is not only not banned in most countries, in some like the US it's explicitly legal (i.e. "Freedom of Speech"). That said, it is (kinda) banned in Germany, yet they are still around over here, because you can't ban people from believing in stuff.

All a state can do is to try and prevent them from gaining too much traction, and I do not feel like Zionism has all that much tbh. Israel's recent actions are very unpopulat in the west, even though most people are not even affected by them in the slightest. Many of the people who protest them probably have no direct connection to Israel or Gaza. So what's the goal of a ban even?

I can only speak for Germany, but here an Israeli sniper and alledged murderer fled the country, bacause he is being persecuted for warcrimes, i.e. the murder of civilians. You also cannot call for the extermination of anyone without riscing consequences. This does not prevent people from being Nazis, Zionists or anything else. It just sanctions them for publicly expressing it.

Capitalist countries rarely enforce their policies on right wing extremism. Fascism is a guard dog of capital they think they can keep leashed. In the 20th century that guard dog was pointed east so that it could harm the communists which threatened capital then. Today that guard dog is used to control resources in west asia and hide the dirtier work of imperialism that the west doesn't want as seen on their hands. They can't ban zionism because they need Israel and zionism is foundational to Israel.

Zionism was originally an idealistic thought and evolved into something unrecognisable today. It was supported by most people across the world before. Zionism is inspired by nationalism, as was Nazism. If we bring your logic to its ultimate conclusion, then it goes to the circular questioning as to why is nationalism not been banned, despite causing so much harm and atrocity? Why is African nationalism not banned? Or Indian nationalism? Or Ukrainian nationalism? Even the history of nationalism has started with the best intentions. As had happened with most ideologies, however, they don't end well. I think even the the mildest form of nationalism will eventually end up extreme. Nationalism is making a pact with the devil and expecting the due will never come. That is what happened on German nationalism leading to Nazism, and Israeli nationalism leading to Zionism. And soon, American nationalism leading to MAGA nationalism.

Because those same countries were never ideologically opposed to fascism in the first place. America was a major inspiration for Hitler, namely in its jim crow laws and eugenics. Before world war 2, America loved Hitler. And the western powers are the reason why Zionism exists as an influential ideology to begin with. Britain gave the land for zionists to colonize to begin with. All of these same countries also committed the same atrocities themselves when colonizing places like the Americas, Africa, and Asia. Liberal governments have never been opposed to colonialism, genocide, or fascism.

Because being involved in international politics at the state level has a similarly effect on one's morals as the One Ring

The Zionists are in charge of CIA, and CIA is in charge of every democracy. Democracies not sufficiently supportive of NATO/Israel are rogue authoritarian regimes with rigged elections, that need more CIA NGOs, and media takeover, there to help.

Zionism =/= Israel

Blame the culprit. They're just morally holding the world by the balls, if most western countries are christian predominantly. They bend the knee to their great spiritual grandpapa because they're run by scared old men who cling to one last fantasy. For they have abandoned all other, even humanity and kindness.

Zionist beliefs are not great in my opinion and I take a lot of issues with it, but it is the action that makes it transcend boundaries.

Nazism isn’t “banned” per se, at least in the U.S. as the First Amendment does not allow for viewpoint discrimination, however repugnant a viewpoint might be. But the First Amendment does not protect against cultural, social, or other forms of non-government backlash for those who support disgusting ideologies like Nazism.

So there is no “banning” that could take place of the Zionist viewpoint, if we were to consider it on par with Nazism. By and large in the U.S., Zionism and Nazism are not seen as equally repugnant viewpoints in the cultural landscape, hence the difference in how supporters of these views are treated. Hope that makes sense.

Well, at least in the US, Israel “donates” money via groups like AIPAC to politicians and scores them lucrative business deals in return for political favors and financial aid to Israel, using taxpayer money.

Which they turn around and give a part of it back to the politicians in their next bribe. It’s massively profitable for both Israel and the US politicians, as well as the military contractors who make the weapons the US “sells” to Israel.

In short, Israel helps US politicians embezzle taxpayer money legally for their personal gain.

because Nazis was the enemy and declared war on them while Zionists are the west allies.