this post was submitted on 14 Oct 2025
268 points (100.0% liked)

News

32759 readers
3235 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Republican Speaker Mike Johnson predicted Monday the federal government shutdown may become the longest in history, saying he “won’t negotiate” with Democrats until they hit pause on their health care demands and reopen.

Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20251014124743/https://news.lee.net/johnson-says-he-won-t-negotiate/article_d534eec1-4252-4eb4-a9c1-8e78926d117e.html

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

he “won’t negotiate” with Democrats until they hit pause on their health care demands

FIFH: I won't negotiate until you stop trying to negotiate.

[–] melisdrawing@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 hours ago

But like, isn't that your fucking job? 'Nobody wants to work anymore!!'

[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 12 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's this attitude that makes it a Republican shutdown.

Elections have consequences, Republicans did NOT get the 60 votes they need. They NEED to offer something to get 9 Democrats to vote with them.

By saying they aren't willing to negotiate, THEY are shitting down the government.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

This is the Trump/Johnson Shutdown of 2025.

Earlier this year, we had the Trump/RFK Measles Outbreak of 2025.

Call them what they are.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 15 points 10 hours ago

It's not a negotiation. It's a stark choice to follow darkness instead of light.

[–] tym@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

"When it breaks, it will all come together" -Atmosphere

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 43 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I honestly don't understand how

  1. Americans are this god damn stupid to realize Republicans are literally saying "fuck you, we won't back down from you dying in the streets."

  2. How bad the Democrats are that they're failing to capitalize on that message.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 18 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

The survey results that I'm seeing show that Americans do understand what's happening and that Republicans are shooting themselves in the face. But there's not an election happening tomorrow so it takes time.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/whos-blame-shutdown-all-above-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2025-10-09/

63%/67% blame Trump/Republicans respectively.

63% also blamed Democrats for the shutdown.

63% also blamed Democrats... That's just a failure of America and a indictment of Democratic leadership ineptitude in my opinion.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago

Republicans are shooting themselves in the face

Literally? At least that'd be doing something worthwhile for the American people.

[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

And they have short attention spans so it won't even matter when it gets to an election

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Ah yes the short attention spans conundrum. They'd almost need the administration in power to do/say absolutely crazy shit every single day…

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 hours ago

Well, you see, Republicans are such a terrible party that they make Democrats look like they're worth voting for.

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 19 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Damn they will do whatever it takes to stop the release of the Epstein files.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ok.

Don't.

Your party is in control. Don't negotiate and watch what happens to your head when enough Americans get real desperate.

Even poor people can build guillotines.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 10 points 23 hours ago

I'm curious how effective the mass propaganda on every website and in all the airports etc are going to be. People are stupid and they're going to hear that narrative over and over and we all know the Democrats aren't going to effectively counter it

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The administration has 3 legal options:

  1. Compromise with dems on not making working class Americans already shitty and expensive healthcare worse
  2. Get rid of corruption and obstruction by removing the filibuster and force a vote
  3. Shut down the government

Republicans will choose #3 10/10 because they can't actually make the government work via compromise it would undermine all their fascist rhetoric, and they won't let go of their obstructionist tools they and dems use to fuck over the working class.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

They already killed the filibuster. They have have suspended the filibuster three times already. Why would they have to remove it this time?

-They bypassed the filibuster to go around CA EV standards

-Then they Reinvented the budget process to set the BBB to $0 which somehow got them around the filibuster to pass the BBB.

-Last month they "Deployed the nuclear option" and changed Senate rules to confirm a block of 48 Trump nominees.

Nothing is stopping them, they have already set precedent you can ignore the filibuster whenever you want.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 hours ago

The filibuster is an antidemocratic crock of shit that should be ended and never revived.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Personally I'm banking on them refusing to negotiate long enough that Americans get desperate enough to drag them into the streets and finally treat them the way fascists should be treated.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I'm not ready for a thousand year shutdown, personally.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 140 points 1 day ago

Republicans didn't negotiate before passing the bill either, which is why we are where we are.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I can't help but feel like this would already be over if Democrats were better at messaging. The Republicans are so obviously on the wrong side of this, but every time Schumer opens his mouth poll numbers come out instead of rising insurance premiums.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

I do think republican donors owning all the major media leads people to only see the worst messagers in the party as they censor the better ones'

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Media isn't owned by people sympathetic to Democratic talking points.

Doesn't matter what your message is if no one plays it.

load more comments (9 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Keep it closed. The government hasbeen crumbling for 40 years now. The parts that actually helped Americans want fair nor transformative in a grand scheme, by design. America just isn't hungry enough for change. Keep it closed. Every Nation is just three missed meals away from revolution, and considering the largest employer isn't paying it's workers it'll be about another 60 days before we're hungry enough.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Yup.

We're in an abusive relationship with our federal government. Keep it shut down until Americans revolt and deal with the fascists. Then we can reorganize it and try again.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Well, if he won't negotiate, why does he expect the democrats to rubberstamp it?

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Ratchet effect has worked out great for them thus far

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because that is historically what they have done. Republicans know that can take advantage of Democrats “weakness” of being able to compromise. The illegal firing of furloughed workers is metaphorically the Republican terrorists executing hostages until their demands are met. They don’t care about the damage they are doing, but they know their opponents do. They have also historically used the tactic successfully.

They expect it has worked in the past. They will keep executing their hostages and they will keep blaming their own willful destruction on those who won’t just give them everything they want. What they are too stupid to realize is that many of their hostages are their own people, and the only thing that makes a rightist reconsider their sick ideology is when it comes back to bite them personally.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 92 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course, the dems always need to reach across the aisle, but it doesn't apply to the gop lol

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago

He won't negotiate until the other side gives up all their leverage, despite a history of them not negotiating and just demanding things.

Yup, sounds right.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 54 points 1 day ago

"I won't negotiate with you until you give up on all of the things you want."

This translates to "I won't negotiate with you." Because the "until" phrase would be the elimination of anything to be negotiated.

They're just insolent children stamping their feet.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 day ago (16 children)

As a Canadian who has almost limitless free access to healthcare, I've never understood America's decision to withhold the same from millions of people.

Instead the US spends $1 trillion on war machines.

Make it make sense.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago

Because the hierarchy of society that most politicians support demands employees who are terrified of leaving their exploitative jobs. Money is a powerful motivator, but even more powerful is the health of you and your family.

And at the same time, a very sick citizen does not generate economic benefits to them, so there's no reason to make serious care available and/or not crushingly expensive. Better to drain as much as possible from them before the dead weight succumbs to those pressures than direct any revenue that could given back to "job creators" as tax breaks of subsidies.

It's also why political and media personalities will brag about how quickly the county recovered from COVID. It wasn't an economic miracle, it was sacrificing lives at the altar of capitalism. It went hand in hand with our absurdly disproportionate number of deaths.

Why we don't storm their houses and string them up from lamp posts (or, I suppose, vote them out), I don't know.

load more comments (15 replies)
[–] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 62 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I'm glad the Democratic lawmakers are not pulling a Fetterman. If the Democratic lawmakers always vote Republican, why even vote for them in the first place?

load more comments (9 replies)
[–] aramis87@fedia.io 44 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Seems to me that back in the spring, they said open the government and we'll talk, and then they didn't talk. Fool me once ...

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Translation: Mike Johnson doesn't care if you have healthcare or not, Americans. And he's willing to deprive millions of their paychecks to prove it.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›