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[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 38 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

When public events of great consequence — such as the Nord Stream Pipeline bombing — are met with silence from both government and media, the silence itself becomes more terrifying than any atomic bomb.

It is interesting how people remember things differently - I really do not think that there was silence from the public or government in regards of the Nord Stream bombings. Yes, there weren't any demonstrations or riots on the street, but silence?

[–] kossa@feddit.org 8 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Well, silence is not the correct word, I agree. But the reaction was kind of mild, when you think about that it was a terrorist attack on seemingly very important infrastructure and thus on Germany's sovereignity. And that holds especially true after it became clear that it wasn't the Russians but someone who wanted to influence Germany's stance on Russia's invasion. Nobody cared.

I mean, Germany is obviously not in the position, but the US basically devastates whole regions for less. Thus it can be argued, that the reaction was comparably "silent".

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 10 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It still is quite strange for him to focus on Nord Stream. Yeah, it was important infrastructure. But it was switched off for quite a while due to sanctions against russia before the attack. So not great, but there was no immediate impact for people.

I could understand if he was focussing on silence in regard of the Ukraine war or even Gaza, but Nord Stream is strange

[–] kossa@feddit.org 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I think he took it as an example, because it was basically an direct attack on Germany. So the example is crass, as in "if it doesn't fit into the mainstream story, we even 'ignore' direct attacks".

While the silence on the Gaza genocide holds just as true, it is not a direct attack and thus not such a strong example for the point.

[–] Mika@piefed.ca 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

NS2 should not have existed in the first place. Don't you feel shame for building huge pipeline around whole Eastern Europe just so your trade wouldn't be interrupted as russia invades everything? Because you should feel the shame. It have been built when russia already invaded Ukraine.

And yes, it wasn't yet used, but almost finished state of it gave russia more courage to launch full scale invasion.

[–] kossa@feddit.org 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The shame already begins in still burning gas in the 21st century, no matter where it comes from and how it gets to Germany (or other countries for that matter) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I mean, when Nordstream was conceived, everybody and their mother loved it: in the public opinion of the late 00s Ukraine was basically the devil and state enemy, stealing "our gas which we paid for". Dumb take even then, but instead of just saying "ok, let's start an effort to not use gas anymore" somebody came up with Nordstream. Turns out infrastructure projects take longer than huge shifts in the geopolitical landscape.

[–] Mika@piefed.ca 1 points 13 hours ago

You do understand that late 00s is when pro-Ukrainian president in Ukraine have been elected, and russia was using economic pressure as an instrument to make him unpopular and, as a result, installed pro-russian puppet Yanukovich?

And instantly all the gas issues vanished, 30% discount was given, in exchange for permission to extend Russia's lease of a major naval base in the Ukrainian Black Sea port of Sevastopol for an additional 25 years - the soldiers from this base occupied Crimea in 2014.

[–] Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 16 hours ago

I fully understand that they refused to publish this if I may say so. He is permanently contradicting himself, and this is not even the worst part.

He doesn't speak the language, but 'assumes' the young people 'coming to Berlin' (where do they come from?) are talking about clubbing? How does he make this inference?

And the Germans 'might' be 'truly the furthest from a sense of humor' which 'could be the result of their deep reverence for rationality' - an inference he apparently makes from a Mercedes-Benz ad at the airport.

And so it goes on. I mean, he is an artist and may assume whatever he wants, but I understand why they refused to publish this piece.

[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Since I don’t speak the language, I can only imagine that the young people coming to Berlin would talk about [...]

Pretty brave presenting a list of pretty harsh statements without explanations about the German state and its people when not even understanding what they are actually talking...

Not really surprised that Zeit stepped back from publishing the article.

[–] despite_velasquez@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

That’s basically every westerner passing judgement about China, so I’ll take it that his artistic message punched through

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 18 hours ago

I like it. His art, words, challenge and provoke. I especially love the context here of asking a question when you are really not prepared for the answer.

It is perfect and should have gone to publication. Seeing this piece surrounded by lighthearted fluff about mustards would have been even more delicious.

[–] jjpamsterdam@feddit.org 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Immigrant refuses to learn the language of the country he moved to and goes on to feel unwelcome. What a shame. As an immigrant living in Germany myself I'd recommend he go somewhere else.

[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

Iirc he moved to London years ago

[–] kbal@fedia.io 10 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

When people sense that power is beyond challenge, they redirect their energy into trivial disputes. And those trivialities, collectively, are enough to erode a society’s very foundations of justice.

This is more true than usual in more places than just Germany.

[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly. As I stated in another comment already, most of the statements feel like generic Fortune-Cookie-style wisdom packed into edgy language.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 3 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

If half the world is failing in precisely the same ways at this time, it's all the more valuable to publish the words of an artist who's able to point it out.

[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

But what does he actually point out?

Most of the statements are so ambiguous, generic and, quite frankly, mundane that they are almost free of deeper meaning.

And the last third is just whining about how nobody appreciates the "worthy" (meaning: his?) art any more.
Pathetic.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 3 points 15 hours ago

Without having read the article yet, I expect that a Chinese person would never state criticism bluntly. Being ambiguous to make it possible to dismiss it is to be expected.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 17 hours ago

Thank you. A bad instinct is "why are you picking on me!". A good instinct is "this is a useful case study for all to learn from!".

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 points 17 hours ago

The whole article consists of such truisms.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Seems reasonalble? I don't agree with everything, but he is not exactly wrong with his impression. And yes, Chinese restaurants in Germany suck 🤷

[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

To stay with the Chinese restaurant trope:
Many of his statements seem to me to be generic Fortune Cookie level wisdom.
Generally not wrong, but also of limited specific reference to Germany.

Some are true but generally known. We would like to find a solutions ourselves to them. e.g. the excessive and often uncompromising bureaucracy.

And some statements are so ambiguous that they are ready to be used by the very enemies of democracy and freedom for their own purposes.
Right out of the AfD style book.