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[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Regardless of all other considerations, Israel should be removed given the highly suspicious voting that got Israel to first place. In the public vote and second place overall. Israel's song was mediocre and barely registered during the contest, got mediocre scores from the professional judges, and it was not a commercial success before or after the contest, and yet somehow it won the popular vote.

If Israel had won it would have done permanent damage to the Eirovision song contest as there is strong suspicion the vote was rigged. People can vote up to 20 times so it is feasible to manipulate the vote at relatively low cost if focused in a few countries.

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

While I agree with removing Israel, purely political voting is nothing new for the ESC. Ukraine winning in 2022 wasn't because of the song either.

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Political voting is not new but the votes Israel got were weird. Spain is very critical of Israel. They had a massive protest right before or after ESC, and then somehow the popular vote gave Israel 12 points? Spain is the only one I remember from the top of my head but there were something like 4-5 countries in a similar scenario, where the people don't like Israel but somehow end up giving either 12 or 10 points to Isreal.

This happening with one country could be viewed as just a coincidence but when the same thing happens to multiple countries?

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

It doesn't need a majority of people supporting Israel, just enough people who feel strongly about the topic. Even in countries where a majority of people are against Israel, millions do still support them and they may feel even stronger about it if their government is against them.

Supporters of Israel had a way to express their support on the ESC, while supporters of Palestine didn't, as Palestine didn't participate in the contest. So you only got political votes from one side of the conflict, while the remaining votes were spread out over any of the other countries. No conspiracy needed, although I will admit it's possible.

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

And in your opinion how much of the population percentage-wise would be "enough people who feel strongly about the topic" for Israel to get the most points?

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I couldn't tell you an exact number but I'd say that taking these polls, the 12% who say Israel was justified in everything they did would well be enough.

[–] 20cello@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago

Israel must fuck off, regardless of any consequences

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Just don't do anything with those fuckers. Don't let them participate, stop buying their shit (yesterday I saw israeli grapefruit in a shop). Same as you wouldn't do any business with the other, old time nazis.

[–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 26 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

An austrian dude supporting fascim and genocide. Seems familiar...

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Hey now, it's not just Austria. Germany's chancellor made the same statement

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Did he also fail to get admitted to an art school?

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago

No but his Pinterest boards never get the recognition they deserve

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 4 points 5 hours ago

He was more than good enough for the Eurovision.

An Austrian leader, even...

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They're not even in Europe, kicking them out shouldn't be controversial normally, let alone when they've been committing genocide and are breaking ceasefires.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This is a classic comment for this discussion. The eurovision is not a contest among european countries. It is a contest among the members of the EBU. Any country can become a member of that if they want

[–] tomiant@piefed.social -5 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

This comment brought to you by the Contorted Rhetorical Devices Department of Israel.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 7 points 4 hours ago

Australia is a regular participant, the Caucasian countries are also regular entrants and may or may not be in Europe depending on where you draw the border, Morocco is a previous entrant, all of North Africa is eligible to enter but chooses not to, and Lebanon and Jordan have invites too. We should kick Israel out for the real reason of its actions in Gaza and the rest of Palestine, not over silly attempts at technicalities

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

To become a member of the EBU, a public broadcaster must either be:

  • based in a country in this area, defined by the International Telecommunications Union:
  • be a member of the Council of Europe

Why should Israel be excluded based on its geographical position alone when every country bordering the Mediterrenean is eligble.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Wth are you talking about...

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 6 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

One beneficial way to avoid controversy and raise IQ levels across Europe would be to cancel Eurovision altogether.

How dare people have fun, amirite folks?

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

You’re advocating for canceling the most mainstream and biggest queer friendly event in Europe?

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

It can be both queer friendly and pure brainrot at the same time, these are not mutually exclusive.

[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 3 points 3 hours ago

Just because you don't like the music, doesn't make it brain rot.

You say brainrot like it's something bad.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 4 points 5 hours ago

Oh shit if it's queer friendly it's obviously good!

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Although that is not likelly, I think that something along those lines may be the approach they chose to solve this. Find a way to have Israel excluded, but not directly say it is because of the war and genocide.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 8 points 5 hours ago

Yes, wouldn’t want to make people upset. About genocide. And purposely killing children.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 0 points 2 hours ago

Austrian leader

Haha, I see what you did there, dpa!