This game looks absolutely incredible. I’m not going to pre-order under any circumstances (been there, done that with these guys, lmao) but I firmly believe HG are capable of sticking the landing if they try, and if it’s all it’s cracked up to be at launch I’ll be playing the shit out of it.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hello has really come around when it comes to building the framework for a great sandbox game and if you're diligent about creating goals and tasks for yourself NMS can be fun. Not to mention seamlessly flying off a planet into space was an amazing novelty.

However if they want me to try Light No Fire they need to do two things: turn the page on the NMS gameplay loop ideally with some truly emergent gameplay, and fix the inconsistent and unintuitive UI. I did really enjoy a lot of my time in NMS but to do so I found I always had the feeling I was working against the system instead of with it.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

My biggest gripe was they didn't bring up my backpack inventory in the regular manner when selling. I keep thinks in specific locations and seeing a vertical list five items at a time was a massive waste of time and screen space.

This looks cool, but it basically just looks like a reskin of NMS in a fantasy world and they're going to need to do more than copy Valheim to make this one fun.

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Looks absolutely generic af.

Can't wait to play it.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 14 points 11 months ago

It looks good. The bones of NMS are easy to see, but there's enough new to make it exciting.

[–] dbug13@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This looks great. Looks like NMS crossed with Valheim. I've been enjoying NMS for 4 years now, with all of the continued free updates, I gotta say it was the best 30$ I've spent on a game. My concern is that NMS multi-player game play is very buggy, and it looks like this new game wants to be multi-player focused as well. I hope they can pull that off with the new game, and maybe fix multi-player in NMS. I've been loving my time in NMS and I will definitely give this new game a try. I didn't see a release date for it, so I assume it's a couple of years out.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Valheim, but I can ride a dragon? Keeping my fingers crossed.

[–] simple@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is really exciting. I've liked everything about No Man's Sky except the gameplay which I thought was boring. If they can replace that with exciting fantasy combat, I'm in.

Also this trailer felt weirdly very similar to the NMS one. The zoom out from water, panning over the landscape, and riding ~~ships~~ dragons over everything had all the same beats.

[–] OswaldBuzzbald@midwest.social 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I saw someone say they intentionally made a take for take remake of the NMS trailer.

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The original NMS trailer was also revealed on one of the Geoff Keighley award shows (I’m sure it was The Game Awards back then).

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

It was, back in 2013

They made that point this year right before showing off Light No Fire at The Game Awards 2023

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If they take everything they learned along the way with NMS and release a polished game, this is going to be a ton of fun.

NMS is in a strange place for me, it's a game that will clock hundreds of hours but likely will never make it on a top 10 list for me. It's a game I can always go back to, but not something I will rave about.

If LNF hits that, I will still be very happy with it

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Orange cloak.

I'm in.

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 3 points 11 months ago

Here's to hoping Hello Games releases this one on GOG as well.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hello Games trailer, nah dawg. Not again.

[–] LunchEnjoyer@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You should probably read up in the redemption of Hello Games / NMS. They have released update after update, dlc after dlc, all for free. The game is truly completely different from what it was. Not many games has gotten this good of a follow up after it's rough launch.

[+] Sordid@lemmy.world -25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

BWAHAHAHAHA! No. I didn't fall for it the first time, I see no reason to fall for it now.

[–] M137@lemm.ee 28 points 11 months ago (4 children)

How to show you haven't kept up with NMS and the company at all since No Man's Sky released.

There is little reason to believe this will be the same, they've given the players more than what was promised and continue to vastly expand NMS, all for free.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can be aware of all the work they've done, and still have lost trust in their ability to release a working game.

Becoming a premium game dlc+fix team does not get them a pass on releasing a game

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, but the fact that the shots we see in the trailer already exists in NMS gives me hope that they can do what they claim this time (outside of Sean's vague hints at server meshing allowing all people to be on the same earth) in terms of gameplay.

Networking code and their version of server meshing is the biggest wildcard here. But they have already proven they can make a procedural world with gameplay loops and multiplayer like the trailer. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility, and they have the entire NMS development/update experience to lean on now for making their second game.

But yeah, poach some SC devs to help you make the server meshing portion of it for sure.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Just saying trust is easy to lose and hard to gain.

I don't care what they've done since the NMS release, but they released an unfinished game that did not align with the trailer at all.

Until they release a new game where the release is reasonably stable, and the content is reasonably like the trailer, they are untrustworthy.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Step 1: Release a shit game early that's nothing like its trailer and produce a shit ton of publicity through its consequential shit storm.
Step 2: Spent development time on it that you had originally planned for it anyway to fix things up a little bit, without ever reaching the state of the original trailer and get all the praise for being a shitty company because you've apparently done some magical redemption arc.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit - and then do it all over again because people are gullible idiots.

You can apply the same shit to CP2077 and other games btw. At this point it is beneficial to just release a game in a shitty state because now you have the opportunity to use it as some PR mechanism of how great you are as a company for still caring for your games even after a shitty launch.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It really drives me crazy people defending the CP2077 debacle these days. Like I get it that it's a fun game but that's not what anyone is complaining about. We're complaining about how it's not and never will be the game they promoted in countless hours of previews in the months leading up to release.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Or simply the terrible the state it was in. Took them to 1.6 to finally fix the stupid framerate degradation, at least partially. And things like the story will obviously never be fixed.

[–] billothekid2@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hi there Dark thoughts! I'm just curious as to why you've downvoted every single comment I've ever made on Kbin. Is this something you do to everyone who downvotes you one time? Seems a little extreme and immature don't ya think?

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I do it with obvious lurker / alt accounts that are otherwise not active and apparently just exist to downvote other people. Legit accounts and especially those who could actually provide some valid counterpoints aren't receiving this treatment. This also includes a block, so consider this message a friendly courtesy of mine, but also the last thing you'll hear from me, as I have better things to do than argue with internet trolls. Have a nice vote manipulative day.

[–] billothekid2@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What the actual fuck? One downvote is all it took and this dude thinks I'm a troll. (Make that two, lol) If anyone else is reading this, I'm very real and this is my main account. Lol. Jesus Christ.

[–] Sordid@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

It seems that you need a refresher. I suggest you rewatch those original pre-release trailers and then try playing the game to see if it looks anything like that. I did that a few months ago, and spoiler alert, it did not. Continued support is of course praiseworthy, but it wouldn't have been necessary if Hello Games had actually kept their promises to begin with. It boggles my mind that gamers so vehemently defend a company that took a decade longer than it should have to deliver some (not all!) of what was promised and also wasted a bunch of time and resources on bloating the game with stuff that was never mentioned and that nobody asked for. Gotta be some form of sunk cost fallacy or Stockholm syndrome or something...

Needless to say, I disagree with you that there's little reason to believe this will be the same. On the contrary, there is every reason to believe that. Due to my skepticism, I was talked down to by people excited by the trailers back then, just like I'm being talked down to by you now. Vindication felt very sweet first time around, so I'm looking forward to round two.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying you're wrong but.. you're actively wishing for this game to fail on launch so you can feel smug about things you said on the Internet?

Priorities man

[–] ech@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You don't have to be "right" about everything. Just let people be happy, dude. It's not that hard.

[–] Sordid@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That's also something I was told in response to my skepticism during NMS' pre-release hype phase, and it's a complete misunderstanding of what's going on here. I'm not trying to stop people from being happy, on the contrary, I'm trying to help them avoid disappointment by getting them to stop huffing hopium in industrial quantities. But they don't wanna stop.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not a "misunderstanding" when you're laughing about what you think is going to happen and getting excited about your "vindication". You're not helping anyone here. You're just trying to get them to join you in your cynicism.

Once again, Just let people be happy.

[–] Sordid@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Please, lecture me more about what my motivations are. Of the two of us, you're clearly the expert on that topic. I'm dying to hear more.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I pretty much covered it.

[–] Sordid@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Not at all! Remember, imagination knows no bounds. You can continue making stuff up with no basis in fact pretty much forever.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

It seems complaining about Cyberpunk has also become downvote-worthy these days. I think people are just all in on a good redemption arc so when a game is finally good they're willing to overlook all the early promises that will never be fulfilled.

[–] LunchEnjoyer@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I would say it is justified given the amount of support they gave the game in the aftermath, all for free. I would instead encourage people not to buy games at launch. Also, it's not like this new game is totally different either from NMS, you can clearly see the back bones from NMS. So it's obviously that they're going to use everything that is good from NMS in their new game.

[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The same people are at the helm, and they've managaed to make a massive profit by making up a bunch of stuff, releasing a broken, unfinished game and fixing it over the course of nearly a decade. What's to say they're going to do differently this time. If anything, they're more likely to get a pass releasing a broken game now since it will probably eventually be what was promised at launch.

Edit: and I also want to highlight the fact that by supporting Hello Games (at least until we've seen definitive proof that this isn't a repeat) we're very directly showing support for the practice of releasing broken games.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thats only true if it comes out broken, which hasn't happened yet.

I'll treat it the same as every other, if after a couple weeks once the hype has worn down the game actually fulfills the general schtick and seems to have learned and integrated its NMS lessons, then I'll consider getting it.

I got NMS for ten bucks at the NEXT update and feel like I've gotten far more than my money's worth. This title hasn't proven anything yet, and I'll wait for the truth before purchasing it like I do with every other game. It's been this way since like 2013 when the industry started pumping out incomplete live service nonsense with seasons and battle passes.

[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'll treat it the same as every other, if after a couple weeks once the hype has worn down the game actually fulfills the general schtick and seems to have learned and integrated its NMS lessons, then I'll consider getting it.

I got NMS for ten bucks at the NEXT update and feel like I've gotten far more than my money's worth. This title hasn't proven anything yet, and I'll wait for the truth before purchasing it like I do with every other game. It's been this way since like 2013 when the industry started pumping out incomplete live service nonsense with seasons and battle passes.

Thats exactly my point. We don't know anything about the game, and are supporting it by just assuming that its going to be a great game and exactly whats promised from a studio that had previously lied frequently leading up to its last release. Thats why you don't feed into another ridiculous hype train, and don't pre-order or make day-one purchases. If they've actually learned their lesson and reformed, make them prove it before buying the game. I'm not saying don't buy the game, I'm saying don't buy in to the hype.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Oh for sure, definitely not going to hype it. I am going to follow it though and see what they show off.

I'm curious if they'll be more open with their development process this time around, and if the company that has had issues in the past with four player connectivity can pull of server meshing.