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Like, would a skyscraper-style datacenter be practical? Or is just a matter of big, flat buildings being cheaper?

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[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Weight. If you load a 42u rack up with 30lb servers you're at 1280lbs spread out over about 4sqft, which is over the floor loading limit for most buildings. It's much cheaper to support the weight in a wider building compared to a taller one.

That being said I've been in many data centers in the middle of a giant office towers, but they have lower weight limits generally.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

20 years ago I worked on the top floor of a 5 story office building. We wanted to build out a server room with a pretty hefty UPS for backup. The amount of steel reinforcement we had to install in the ceiling of the 4th floor was pretty insane…

[–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Electricity has a hard time flowing up and requires a special pumping system.

[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 55 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Which begs the question why not magnets at the top of the building to help pull the electricity up?

Because when it rains poof, no more magnets.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 58 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because nobody knows how magnets work.

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Solution: construct the buildings upside down, so the foundations are up in the air and the roofs are underground. That way, the electricity will flow down instead of up.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But then the roof has to support the entire weight of planet Earth on top of it, which is a much harder engineering challenge than pumping the electricity in the first place.

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No, it's not. It's all empty space under the foundation. There's nothing to create crushing force against the building.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are failing to account for the weight of the atmosphere on the foundation

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The atmosphere is just air. Air doesn't have mass or weight, that's why it floats.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Neither does the ground or the continents wouldn’t drift.

Subduction is just suboptimal duction. And what flows through ducts? Wind. Checkmate.

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago

It can't be checkmate if the wind has blown over all the pieces.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago

Because the electricity pulls the magnets down in the same measure, so they meet in the middle. Newton's 2nd law or something.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You joke, but heat does rise and a tall building would need to make extra concessions for cooling concerns, while also dealing with the issues if weight. Large racks of servers are actually quite heavy, which is why many datacenters in i.e Toronto were built in an ex parking garage

[–] Prime@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Heat is no issue of relevance for the question. The rising effect it negligible compared to what has to be transported anyway. I also can't imagine racks being heavier than eg books in s library.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

How many high-rise libraries do you see? Weight is absolutely a factor in data center design, as is airflow/heat

[–] Prime@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 hours ago

4 story libraries are common in my area.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago

Unironically, I've had people telling me they save electric energy by inserting the angled Schuko plugs of their electric devices 'upwards'.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Most obvious reason that comes to mind is cooling. All the HVAC in the world isnt going to be able to stop 50 floors of server rack heat from spilling onto the 51st floor, etc.

This is also a nightmare for fire suppression systems.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tall data centers do exist in cities where land is expensive. It's the same reason everyone builds up in cities. Where land is cheap and available it's usually easier and less expensive to build things low and wide.

Tall data centers do exist in cities where land is expensive.

Probably a bit of "hiding in plain sight" that way, too. There are a few big datacenters relatively near me, and they're massive compounds in the middle of even more massive corn fields. Kind of stick out like a sore thumb when you're driving by.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I used to have a rack in a colo in the middle of Portland Oregon. The 3rd floor was the colo and they also had telecom equipment on the roof, but the rest of the building was normal commercial real-estate.

They spent so much reinforcing the floor, sound proofing the floor and ceiling, building a giant door in the wall (so they could crane in equipment), and helping pay for a new local substation that when P.a.a.S. services (AWS, Azure, etc) started they quickly started to struggle to keep the bills paid.

Soundproofing wouldn't be needed if the whole building were servers, but the rest would be.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

This. It's the weight.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Cost. It's slightly cheaper. And I do mean slightly.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Depends on the price of the land.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah that's the only difference. Usually land is cheaper. But building high in the middle of nowhere is only like 5% more expensive.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's complete bullshit. Building one floor on cheap land is way, way cheaper than building high on expensive land.

source: Wyoming.

and of course, building one floor of data center is exponentially cheaper than building two floors.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

It's also not the core purpose of the data center. The building is a shell protecting racks of servers, the core purpose of a data center. Why spend anymore than absolutely necessary when it would not increase the output of that core purpose.

[–] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In the past, we did have a need for purpose-built skyscrapers meant to house dense racks of electronic machines, but it wasn't for data centers. No, it was for telephone equipment. See the AT&T Long Lines building in NYC, a windowless monolith of a structure in Lower Manhattan. It stands at 170 meters (550 ft).

This NYC example shows that it's entirely possible for telephone equipment to build up, and was very necessary considering the cost of real estate in that city. But if we look at the difference between a telephone exchange and a data center, we quickly realize why the latter can't practically achieve skyscraper heights.

Data centers consume enormous amounts of electric power, and this produces a near-equivalent amount of heat. The chiller units for a data center are themselves estimated to consume something around a quarter of the site's power consumption, to dissipate the heat energy of the computing equipment. For a data center that's a few stories tall, the heat density per land area is enough that a roof-top chiller can cool it. But if the data center grows taller, it has a lower ratio of rooftop to interior volume.

This is not unlike the ratio of surface area to interior volume, which is a limiting factor for how large (or small) animals can be, before they overheat themselves. So even if we could mount chiller units up the sides of a building -- which we can't, because heat from the lower unit would affect an upper unit -- we still have this problem of too much heat in a limited land area.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Probably a combination of it being cheaper (as the others said) and data centers not really having to be near right next to cities. It's easier to plop them in the middle of nowhere.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 day ago

There are a few skyscraper server farms, but they are usually in major metropolitan areas like Manhattan. But, as you touched on, it is usually cheaper to build out instead of up.

[–] Steve 7 points 1 day ago

Taller is more expensive. That's all.
If you have the space to go wider, that's what everyone does.

[–] StrongHorseWeakNeigh@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well, data centers require a lot of water for cooling. It's harder to pump water up high.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

It's harder to do anything up high. Construction, climate control, transportation (moving something from one end to another), managing fires, additions, evacuation of personnel in an emergency, etc. etc., all get much harder when you build up up versus across.

[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Guess it depends on the height, but yeah. Otherwise, we manage to pump a town's worth of water to the top of a tower well enough. From there, gravity can do the rest.

But there's probably a point where cost for that vs height becomes prohibitive.

[–] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

There's a slow, steady source of water being pumped into those towers, so the water level fluctuates through the day. They use gravity to get high pressure from your tap, but I'm the world of liquid cooling, you gotta go fast!

The taller it goes the more they'll have to value human life.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Cheaper and easier, perhaps? If the costs of engineering a tower is more than just buying more land, then why build taller?

It could also be local ordinances. Maybe they can't get permission to build higher than 2 or 3 stories. I know that's common for residential areas; it might be a thing in commercial or industrial areas too.

If the costs of engineering a tower is more than just buying more land, then why build taller?

Figured it'd be something like that. Explains why they get built out in the middle of nowhere since land is cheap.