Oh no, Trump, please. Please don't convince Hungary to leave. Anyone but Hungary! They're the economic and democratic backbone of the EU.
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Maybe a sort of psuedo-Brexit approach would be best when it comes to Hungary? Specifically...
1: Hungary effectively leaves the EU in nearly all ways.
2: Hungarians still have free movement, so people can leave Hungary and seek a better life in the EU.
This allows the more libre people and youth of Hungary to leave, while the conservative elements instinctively shelter in place. Plus, Hungarians who go back, will relate their outsider lives to Hungarians who stayed. In effect, the disparity in lifestyle and wealth will become increasingly obvious with every Christmas gathering. Given time, the remaining Hungarians will ask themselves "Why don't we live good lives?" and start looking at Orban with contempt for mismanaging their nation.
Toss in a provision to allow the EU to vote on whether to let Hungary resume being a full member every ten years, and maybe an optional special vote after a regime change. This gives a lot of flexibility to the EU.
Whether this kind of approach can work...π€·ββοΈ
World's complicated and annoyingly random.
Austria, Hungary, Italy and Poland
There, saved you a click.
3/4 Fascist. What a coincidence.
All filled with either Russian or American assets, maybe except Poland to some extent. But even that is likely to change after the next elections.
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Who needs enemies with allies like these?
It's insane that these people are elected representatives of so many people.
You know what would be to make europe great again? It would be getting rid of the united snakes and it's proxy in the middle east
I absolutely cannot approve insulting snakes. Or any other innocent animal for that matter.
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What a coincidence that the MAGA USA's policy towards Europe is almost indistinguishable from Russia's!
The American policy has been exactly this long before Trump. The literal main and pretty much only obstacle to a European army and a European Federation has been the USA, constantly using their leverage and economic/military power to block any such plans from progressing.
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If Poland left the EU, the Russians would march in and take the Sulwalki Gap at a minimum. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania would disappear too.
Japan and China...nope, they would back stab each other.
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I donβt think Poland would ever actually leave the EU. Every poll says that poles love being in it even if the far right complains a ton. As someone who lived in Poland between 2005 and 2020 the improvements from being in the EU are so noticeable it would be suicide for the country to actually leave.
Hungary leaving EU? Oh pleeeaaassse i can only get so wet!!
It wouldn't be so bad short-term, since it'd stop Hungary from veto'ing everything. However, long-term, losing any EU members is terrible. Especially considering there are already plans to remove veto by moving to qualified majority voting.
No matter what, we need to stick together. Now more than ever. All EU member states are our friends and allies, despite some of them being problematic. The solution is helping the nations with their corrupt governments. Not abandoning them. That's not unity.
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Yep, because it worked out so well for the UK
this has putins stink all over it, if its not obvious already.
Europe needs to rally together to survive this. Russia is beatable, but you need to activate.
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Hey UK, how is brexit going?
It has taught a lot of Brits how good being in the EU was (by taking away the benefits). All the "advantages" have also evaporated like pixy dust.
It has also done the same for lot of people in the rest of the EU who before believed the same far-right populist fables about how great it would be to leave the EU, which is why the far-right in those countries doesn't talk about that anymore.
I lived in a couple of countries in the EU and my impression was that Britain was the best candidate of all in the EU to fall for the whole "We would be better of outside the EU" because they were the ones who looked back to the years before entering the EU and mainly saw a great Great Britain (an image relentlessly beautified and pushed by local media right, which is why even now almost a century after it a "new British film coming out about how Britain pretty much singlehandedly won WWI" is still a regular event and news about international affairs in Britain tend to be either spinning Britain as having great influence in the World or "look at that tupid thing happening in that country, this would never happen in Old Blighty [as we're superior to those foreigners]" news pieces) so it was easy for such Delusions Of National Greatness to be turned into Brexit by outside influences (namely, American - just look up who funded Cambridge Analitica to spread pro-Leave propaganda).
After the subsequent shitshow with the "most likely nation in the EU to fall for Alone We're Stronger bollocks" none of the larger nations left in the EU (which are just mid-sized nations in World terms) have any illusions that leaving would make them better of (plus people there already had fewer delusions of greatness to begin with than Brits), whilst the smaller nations never had any fond memories of time before the EU when they were little more than kicking balls for the bigger nations, to begin with.
All this to say that the country were an EU exit was most easy to leverage by foreign interests has already had that happen and the result stands as an example that further deters the idea of leaving in the few EU countries were the idea that "we were stronger alone" ever had more than a handful of believers.
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So "Make X great again" just means bringing enshittification to the state level yeah?
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That would be great!
Let's start with ~~kicking out~~ saddly (*sniff *, *sniff*) having to see the departure of Hungary.
I mean, just look at Brexit: one side got seriously fucked up (instant fall of 20% of their currency and slowly dropping further behind economically ever since - the dream of a Economic Powerhouse Britain are gone and burried now: just ask even the most rabid Brexiter to list their Brexit Dividends) whilst the other basically just went over a small speed bump. I'll leave it as an exercise for the readers which side got which consequences.
PS: That said, having seen the consequences of Brexit is exactly why no EU nation is likely to ever take Donald on this - after that shit show the far-right in Europe went really silent really fast on the whole "we must leave the EU" they were so loudly demanding just a few months before.
PPS: Also as a person from a small EU country, lets just say we're very much aware of just how the big boys would fuck us up if we left the safety of the pack - unlike in Delusions Of Grandeur Britain the public opinion in little nations doesn't want a return to the way things were in 70s when they were the "punching bag of the big boys". Meanwhile the larger EU countries - which are all merelly mid-sized in World terms - after having seen what happened to Britain post-Brexit know with absolute certainty they have far greater influence being in the EU than they would outside, which is why even Italy with a well entrenched far-right government hasn't distanced itself an inch away from the EU. Only some totally out of control shit-show of a nation in the thrall of the nuttiest of nutter far-right would even just consider this and, frankly, them leaving the EU would be great for the rest (not least because, as it happenned with Brexit, it would at least temporarilly dampen the far-right in all the other countries)
Hungarian here, all that would achieve is to give OrbΓ‘n even more power. Any consequence would just been propagandized away. "Failing economics? It's the fault of the far-left EU! Anyways, now I can jail journalists and opposition politicians; and make them commit suicide in prisons in the Epstein way!"
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Step 1 to Making Europe Great Again: Ignore every idea that comes directly from a Make America Great Again mouth piece.
Step 2: Educate the member states' populations so they stop voting in fascists.
Step 3: Congratulations, you're done!
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Who needs enemies when you have friends like this?
also suggest the US is attempting to create a new elite of five βCoreβ countries, known as the C5, to replace the G7.
These countries would be the US, China, India, Japan and Russia.
The #1, 2, 4, 5, and 9 economies.
The US was never anybody's friend.
At best they were partners of convenience and only for as long as it they gained from it.
Remember that even before Trump American interests were pushing for Brexit to weakening the EU, for example by funding Cambridge Analitica to spread pro-Leave propaganda in Facebook.
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According to a leaked version of the Trump administrationβs US national security strategy, the White House is planning to call on Austria, Hungary, Italy and Poland to quit the EU.
I wonder where Poland would be without the EU...
No where near current development state, and people know that - huge percentage of people are pro EU.
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Isn't Trump's whole thing about stopping foreigners from interfering with your country and cultural erosion? Why's he enforcing HIS ideals on others?
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