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Woof. They drive really well, but the market just isn't ready for a $60K+ fast car.

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 38 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

lol they’re notoriously not a good car. Have you seen the reviews of them? Has nothing to do with being a 60k fast car. The ioniq 5 is 60k and is selling like hot cakes. Teslas sold for years at that price point.

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
  1. Ioniq 5 is not 60K. MSRP is currently... what... $35,000? Makes sense it would sell like hotcakes at that price. Maybe you're thinking the Ioniq 6? That's a car I like, but it's not selling great, probably for the exact same reason.
  2. Teslas sold for years at that price, but their most popular model is by far and away the Model Y, with its MSRP starting at $40,000. Seeing a trend here? EVs that sell decently tend to be cheap.
  3. As for it being notoriously not a good car... that one, depends what you're looking for! It's a muscle car. It's fast and sexy looking and unreliable. Folks who've driven one tend to like it, from what I saw. I tend to skip professional reviewers/cartube, it's hard to tell who's paying them to say what
[–] tyler@programming.dev 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ioniq 5 is $65k for the fully specced version. How do I know? I own one. Nobody is buying base model anything.

Once again, nobody is buying base spec cars, especially not teslas, who’s only selling points are long range (not available in base spec) and ‘self driving’ (once again not available in base spec)

Not really any good response for the last one, besides watch a video and decide for yourself. Articles might say something is good but then a video shows an entirely different story.

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io -1 points 3 weeks ago

Most folks don't buy self-driving anything. It's about 12% for Tesla, and Tesla probably has the highest uptake rate: https://carbuzz.com/12-percent-tesla-owners-choose-full-self-driving/

For buying the base spec cars, Troy Teslike reports on that (i know more about Tesla off the top of my head, been doing research, their new average sale price has been cratering), and Tesla's most popular models are the cheap ones. That's important to folks like me because it kills profitability and so is newsworthy.

No judgement, that's just the cards as they lay. I like knowing things, I'm a bit "special" that way, particularly for statistics.

Yeah, it's a matter of taste on this vehicle being nice. Honestly? I'd get a lightly used Ioniq 6 for the same price, I like the Charger body shape, but if it's equally fast, I think the 6 will be more reliable.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 38 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The news to me is that Dodge can still sell things for more than $6k?

I guess there's always people who haven't, you know...owned anything made by Dodge yet..

Some people are just a glutton for punishment.

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 30 points 4 weeks ago

No Stellantis vehicle is worth $60,000. They should be $20,000 at the dealer with the other $40,000 being reserved for repairs needed in the first 5 years.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 23 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The shitheads who drive chargers in my area are 100% not the EV demographic. They're more the "aftermarket exhaust mods, wake everyone up at 3am" type of folk.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 12 points 4 weeks ago

Electric Dodge Charger sounds like an oxymoron or a regretful purchase that fried your ipad.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 4 weeks ago

I've spent 2x$60k on 2x EVs in the last year.

I used to own a Model S Plaid, but got rid of it for obvious reasons.

It isn't that the market isn't ready for a fast EV or a nice EV...it's that this one is a Dodge Charger EV.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

BMW sells lots of i4, the market is ready for a GOOD $60k fast car, just not something built by…… Stellantis (shudder)

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Can confirm. I drive an i4 M50, and I see a lot of them around.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Nice choice! I keep watching for a well priced trade in to come in.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

This is a wild singular outlier and probably a pricing error. Lazy writing. Looks like most go for 40-60k, which there are still good deals to be had there as well.

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Those are all inaccurate if you actually look at the source site.

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You're using a lot of weasel words for somebody who called me the lazy writer :)

What percent are accurate, do you reckon? Should I update my headline to show multiple EV Chargers for sale at less than 50% of their MSRP, or just the one?

[–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

When you say "Electric chargers" you give the impression that all, or even a majority, are for sale at that price. When in reality it's 1 or 2 in the entire nation.

Maybe try "Charger EVs for sale in the 30s and below", or similar.

E: looks like you got the same feedback on Reddit.

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You seem to be misunderstanding the difference between MSRP and sales price.

MSRP is centrally or nationally set. Sales price is locally set.

Re-read the headline, you would have to misread what I actually wrote to get the understanding that you got out of it.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I understand perfectly but I don't know what any of that has to do with this conversation. MSRP is in the $70s, which no one is talking about.

[–] ptc075@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 weeks ago

I was thinking the same, so did a search here. At my local dealer, the cheapest is still $55K. But there's a dealer within an hour who has them for $30-$35K. So, maybe the message hasn't gotten out yet? Seems to be some truth to it.

[–] recursive_recursion@piefed.ca 6 points 4 weeks ago

You dodge when you see a Dodge, this ain't a good deal.

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

Batteries sold separately?

[–] subignition@fedia.io 3 points 4 weeks ago

The giant "section heading" every 5-6 sentences is odd. Did a human really write this?