Pathetic. This "us-vs-them" tribalist mentality of some GNOME folks is embarrassing. Better focus on your own work instead of finding fault in others. Let people work on their own projects in peace if you cannot collaborate with them.
this post was submitted on 02 Jan 2026
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In cross-post section it shows the first post to be 4y ago: https://lemmy.ml/post/88664
Why is that relevant now?
I don't like System76's past actions with regards to Gnome, or their spreading of misinformation about Gnome, but shitting on Cosmic in response seems just as petty.
If you don't like it, don't use it.
Gnomes UI has sucked since 3 and hasnt gone good places. For them to act all high and mighty about contributors smells a little
I'm liking COSMIC better than GNOME, personally. Not sure why you are mad that something else exists?
While I dislike the look and GNOME's approach to things ("we know better what the user wants than they do" aka the crApple approach), I do appreciate that they do provide an alternative for crApple users. They also write a lot of libraries and software that are undeniably good and useful. No one is forced to use GNOME so I'm glad they exist.
Of course this blog post only has one view of the issues and I'm not going to spend a morning going down the rabbit hole to make an opinion on it. But if System76 really does have a problem with upstream for whatever reason, they are free to fork their stuff and cut all communication. Since they did write COSMIC, it looks like that's their goal. Good on them. It may just decrease the drama and make GNOME developers' lives easier.
Disclaimer: The following content is my opinion and my opinion alone. I do not speak for GNOME as a whole, only for myself using the observations I’ve made. These observations may be incorrect.
With that being said, this post does have some merit
The fact this came from hexbear.net immediately raises some mental alarms in my head. So, before forming an opinion on this matter...I read the GNOME blog post and processed the presented information before deciding: hexshitpost or no. I found the blog post to ultimately be built on a strong foundation of knowledge/sources; written in a neutral and non-combative tone that calls out System76 without being incendiary or unnecessarily cruel. The case being lain out about System76's many incidents of spreading harmful misinformation about GNOME makes me understand why GNOME does have some haters these days in the Linux space...
It's curious that instead of polishing COSMIC before pushing it out in the world, they released a broken version of what should've been something cool! I agree, perhaps working with GNOME and KDE would've been better if System76 wasn't going to meaningfully invest in COSMIC's stability before release. I'm sure they'll fix it in post launch updates. From my brief experience with COSMIC, it did have the bones for a good DE, however, the polish was lacking. It made me sad and switch to Bazzite.
I did too have a look at the post for the same reasons and did visit some of the links given there. Honestly it looks more to me like tribalism than anything, see for instance comments and discussions here:
or
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/c67pkm/comment/es6p3zq/
I think by now both groups are so entrenched in their position that they convey things from a strongly biased position and don't have any desire to find a common ground.
Yeah, tribalism does happen in a lot of tech related spaces in addition to anywhere else in life. I think that GNOME devs and System76 will remain separate FOSS tribes that can never know peace between them. In a lot of cases, I feel that System76 started the hostility. However, GNOME seems fairly entrenched in their own ideas. I don't find GNOME bad by any means, it's just a REALLY opinionated DE that I can tolerate in little doses. I much prefer KDE for the flexibility it grants without installing a lot of extensions.
GNOME isn't hated by most linux users. That's nonsense
Definitely some, I over-exaggerate, I've seen some concentrated hate in certain places for GNOME.
I agree with that. Apart from that your post was really good and that made it look bad
I changed the wording to some haters. As there is some hate, but, anything with a critical mass is going to attract some haters.
Yea this is some BS... gnome doesn't need any help to burn their own reputation to the ground, this is just a hitpiece by yet another one of their out of touch high and mighty contributors.
So this is just some hexbear hatespeech?
Never worked with System76, but the last Gnome I have tolerance for is 2.x. I use MATE now.
Apparently I must work for System76