The thing that kills me about this sort of thing is the complete lack of accountability. Working class people at assembly plants, dealers, suppliers will all feel the sting from the drop in sales. There’s some dipshit MBA at GM who made and pushed this decision. Any rational person could see that GM is not is a position to push their own infotainment system. Car play and android auto are beloved. Not having one or both is a deal breaker for new car purchasers. We will never know who this person is. Making such an outrageously bad business decision should result thing this person being blackballed from any kind of business role. But that will never happen.
this post was submitted on 21 Dec 2023
167 points (96.1% liked)
Technology
59608 readers
4319 users here now
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Our Rules
- Follow the lemmy.world rules.
- Only tech related content.
- Be excellent to each another!
- Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
- Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
- Politics threads may be removed.
- No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
- Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
- Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
Approved Bots
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
These sorts of decisions can become more understandable when we incorporate the idea that corporate politics and management structure play a huge role in decision making. If the director of the division charged with building the software is close with the CTO or c-suite, they’re going to give that person the job and just make the numbers fit by adjusting the projections.
This is what’s referred to as the “agency problem” - that the people designated to act as the agents of others (whether you consider the others to be shareholders or employees) instead make the decisions based on the benefit to themselves, that’s a conflict of interest based on level of selection.
And in three years when it turns into a disaster, the director will have moved on to a new role or new company.
Becoming employee-owned can help with this. Union pressure can also help. Nothing stopping the unions from enrolling their members in a stock purchase plan to give them more votes/power/sway.
They’re pushing a Google developed infotainment system. Android automotive.
so is everyone else
Eh not everyone. Ford Sync is developed with Blackberry currently, but Sync 5 will be with Google. FCA UConnect is all in house. Toyota uses a Linux base with Flutter on top. Tesla is in house. Rivian uses Android.
Tesla is also a Linux base.
yeah, it's definitely not "developed with Blackberry" yes, it Runs QNX, yes Ford bought a good portion of Blackberry and hired even more of their developers when they opened the waterloo office, as does most touch screen infosystems before GAS. There is near 0 active development on SYNC 4, their first GAS system, 2024 Lincoln Nataulis. Uonnect also runs QNX, and Chrysler is actively d developing their GAS Allison. Pretty much everything GM put out since 2012 ran QNX, Tesla is shitty so I don't care. I don't know for certain on the foreign manufactures, but I have no reason to think they don't have at least a GAS based solution still in the works.
Not having one or the other is a deal breaker? My guy, neither one ever crossed my mind while purchasing a car. Didn't need it growing up, still don't need it now.
load more comments
(6 replies)
I won’t touch this with a 10 foot pole. Stupid.
If they really wanted to make a play at beating CarPlay and Android Auto, they should make a superior product, but include both of the alternatives in the car. As a customer, I would still consider buying the car if it included CarPlay. I won’t even consider it with this, which means I won’t even be in a position to try GM’s alternative. It’s too big of a risk to spend $30-40k on a new car and hope their custom infotainment isn’t trash and works nicely with all the data and apps I have in my smartphone.
That's just unfair. You're completely discounting this list of excellent, well supported software products created by legacy car companies:
...
The pay-to-play heated seats always work, though!
/s
It boggles the mind that the built in software in cars always runs (and often looks) like an early 2000s budget DVD player.
Why wouldn't you touch it? You WANT this. TRUST US!
-GM, probably
I can’t say I was inclined to buy a GM before but now I’m absolutely not going to buy one. The problems described in these reviews are safety issues.
I honestly would have considered the Blazer EV were it not for this.
I was thinking of getting one. Not any more.
I can honestly say that the phrase "my radio was stuck in a boot loop" is something I ever thought I'd need to say, but here we are.
Side note, you know what would be just absolutely perfect? Just Bluetooth. I don't need to watch Disney+ while I drive. I don't need up-to-the-minute notifications of the hottest celebrity news. I don't need sports updates. I don't need to know what my stocks are doing right now.
I just want to play music.
Maps are nice too. But other than that yeah, you're right
Eh, it's nice to be able to reliably control my music from the screen with Android Auto.
I can change songs from my steering wheel and I own a 2008 Volkswagen Gol which is the third world country version of the golf 2 more or less
You can keep your shitty touch screen I'd rather just have the physical buttons and Bluetooth
Ive never had any issues with it (other than the microphone not working anymore but the stereo itself is a refurb)
Sure you can change songs, but with Android Auto I can have it play a different album or playlist with voice commands. I can fast forward through ads in a podcast either by tapping the skip button or talking to it.
Honestly the bigger thing for me is the superior GPS without a separate unit though.
Honestly I just got a phone holder and use my phone independently of the car for all that. And voice commands never quite worked right in my experoence, but Spanish is the regional language where I live so maybe that has something to do with it.
I do see the appeal of having the screen integrated (when it's actually integrated and not just a tablet hanging off the dash like someone Jerry rigged it there) but I feel rather heavily that at no point you should use a tactile interface in a car and that all and any functions that you can use in your car while moving should have physical buttons so you can use them without thinking
I struggle to imagine spending twenty minutes on the side of the road troubleshooting my car's touchscreen, rather than just driving and dealing with it later. Maybe a quick reset, sure, but not more than that.
GM products are complete garbage. Avoid at all cost.
Almost all first party OS's from Car manufacturers are complete garbage, idk why anyone has any faith that a car manufacturer (And ancient "old guard" types at that) is going to have good code and good UI/UX
I mean, they’re using Android automotive. It’s not truly a first party OS.
They have a deal with Google for it.
GM: I removed Android Auto and replaced it with Android Automotive
Wow one more reason not to buy GM not that I was planning on it to begin with.
The deep sleep by walking away is infuriating.
Give me an option to reboot entirely from the settings menu
I expect nothing less. And even if they do make the software stable and usable it will be quickly ruined by micro transactions and subscriptions for basic functionality.
Trash software from a trash company.
Whaaaaat?! No way! I don't believe it!
(.../s for those that need it)