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The sorry state of streaming residuals shows why SAG and the WGA are striking.

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[–] vertigo3pc@lemmy.world 248 points 1 year ago (28 children)

As someone who works in the film and TV industry, let me go ahead and say whatever you do in America, whatever industry: you're undervalued, underpaid, and your wealthy executives are getting fat on your hard work while you starve.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

You spelled capitalism wrong. Social market economy makes it a bit better - but yeah earnings through work and capital gains are extremely off balance right now.

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[–] yoz@aussie.zone 99 points 1 year ago

Better they uploaded it on torrent and asked for donations

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm a former musician and record label employee who's been screaming "told you so" for years. I stopped paying attention to the pittance I get in streaming revenue because it impacts my life that little.

I hope the writers get what they're owed, but don't hold your fucking breath

[–] freeman@lemmy.pub 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t understand how streaming isn’t just considered syndication. It seems like a dictionary definition of what it was, even if it didn’t exist when syndication agreements were made.

It’s a rerun of a show on a separate channel/platform. And the writers/actors should get the agreed revenue for it the same as if it were on TMC, nick at night or Netflix b

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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You should support the actor's and writer's strike. That's what I'll keep bringing up here, do what you can to make things change.

[–] Zana@startrek.website 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

What can we do? I don't live by anywhere they are striking.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

It's small, but just talking about it and send a message of support on social media is appreciated.

Maybe they'll even actually see it.

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[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When are people going to understand that what you know, what you can do, value, truth, integrity and love have absolutely nothing to do with how much you get paid? The world makes much more sense if you stop assuming being a good person makes you rich. The opposite is true, being a psychopath is far more profitable.

If we placed the appropriate value on the people who reduced suffering the most, there would be statues of Edward Jenner everywhere and he would have been the richest person in the world.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is an inverse relation between the wage a job pays and the contribution to society that the job makes, with a few exceptions like doctors. The highest paying jobs are very often parasites on society. This seems to originate from the Calvinist work ethic where meaningful work is its own reward.

~ paraphrased from David Graeber, Bullshit Jobs

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Most doctors aren't paid enough either, and the supply of doctors is kept low to keep the price of care high, the cost of becoming a doctor is inflated by, among other things, the amount of residency programs available is limited making them very expensive to get into.

The whole thing is engineered to extract wealth, not functionally deliver a supply of goods and services to those who do work.

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[–] Darkblue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The fact that I had to look up who Edward Jenner was, and that I (unfortunately) immediately know who Kylie or Bruce Jenner is (to use the same last name), cynically proves your point.

Nurses and firemen should drive lambos, bankers should eat scraps. But alas, human nature rewards greed, but expects humanity.

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 51 points 1 year ago

"It's Free Money" ~ Studio Executives

[–] cloudy1999@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Gross. Writers should be paid fairly.*

Edit: Previously read "Shame on Neflix". See thoughtful reply below.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

While I don’t disagree with the general state, I don’t see how it’s Netflix. They didn’t produce or create Suits, nor were the initial broadcaster, so the contracts were set long before Netflix

[–] Odd_so_Star_so_Odd@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

How streaming doesn't count as broadcasting is a tad too convenient for the studio to not be a deliberate loophole. Even when the language is tested in court the lobbyism favors the deep pockets asking to split hairs clearly in bad faith.

[–] cloudy1999@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Ha, I didn't understand that, but now I do. Thanks. And agreed that the general state is a shame. Writers deserve to be paid.

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[–] ElBarto777@reddthat.com 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What a weird measure of time for a show. It's not a song. Why not use something more suitable, like views?

Edit: it's 50 million hours. If each episode is about an hour long, then that's about 50 million views. If there are 10 episodes per season, then that's 5 million viewers per season.

[–] sickday@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s semantics, but the equivalent for a song would be plays. I think the problem with using views or plays for a metric like this is that they don’t account for people that take in the entire piece of media. It considers people that accidentally click an episode and then close it after some seconds, and people who watch an episode from start to finish, to be the same. One of those people are going to see a lot more ads than the other, thus making the company more money. Just my hypothesis tho.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (9 children)

If all content (all content) was paid for by tax dollars, it would not only be ad free, but there wouldn't be huge companies standing in-between the artist and the consumer as far as getting the artists paid. And it wouldn't cost that much. Like less than what you pay for having all streaming services simultaneously.

https://youtu.be/PJSTFzhs1O4

[–] SirShanova@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (5 children)

But imagine the controversy a government would receive broadcasting various kinds of content. People deride the BBC as a mouthpiece of whichever party is in power despite immense work making it as impartial as possible

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Some years ago the BBC itself ordered a study by Nottingham University which did show that the BBC consistently was pro-whatever-party-was-in-Government, so not being pro a specific party but switching from one of the parties of the power duopoly in Britain to the other as they alternated in Government (funnilly enough giving very little airtime to the smaller leftwing-ecologist party and tons of airtime to smaller far-right parties like UKIP).

However that's about the News, not the rest.

Mind you the BBC also does in it's contents invariably beautify the view about certain slices of British Society and British History but that's the same as the 100% private content producers in the US also do, so it doesn't seem to be an explicitly "Public TV" thing.

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[–] Surp@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Everyone's paid shit these days it seems. I feel like teachers/healthcare workers/IT people need more raises too. Idk why we're so focused on just writers...plenty more important people out there getting shit pay... especially teachers in America who have to deal with so much bullshit.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Solidarity, a rising tide floats all boats. The enemy is not at your side.

[–] totallynotarobot@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The writers are on strike at the moment. It's really weird that you don't think that's of interest.

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[–] MisterHavoc@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Assuming the current all you can watch flat fee model is unsustainable, how do you think a model like videogame (Steam, Epic, etc..) would be perceived? Lower monthly sub. Originals are included. Wanna watch something else? You can watch 2 episodes to start. If you wanna continue buy the season. Sort of like videogames where there are demos.

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[–] jeanma@lemmy.ninja 9 points 1 year ago

and no royalties? $3000, would be few, even for only one professional writer.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I'm watching suits right now... On Netflix.

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