It's a mouse, they used to just be a simple thing you plug in, get a basic driver from the OS and it makes a cursor move.
this post was submitted on 07 Jan 2026
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But, how to add AI to it without 200Mb companion application that also serves ads?
200? Those are rookie numbers
Apple doesn't care what you do with your driver as long as you keep paying them.
But think of the innovation: in those days there was no way they could get you to install their buggy, insecure software that requires you to log into an online account so they can track you and push ads to your desktop. And mice didn't even have batteries that would fail after a year or two, forcing you to get a new mouse. Heck, you didn't even have the experience of the mouse seizing up in the middle of your workday because the battery ran out, or becoming intermittently unusable because of interference from USB 3. Those were dark days indeed.
While that's true, Logitech's MX Master has its upsides. First, you don't need to use a specific USB dongle for it. Instead, a single Logitech USB receiver can connect to up to 3 devices, so you have the freedom to connect with either the dongle or the computer's Bluetooth.
As a result, I have a single MX Master 3 connected to three of my systems. In comparison, my wife bought a Microslop's ergonomic keyboard and it's now just a brick because the Bluetooth dongle broke and there's no solution.
My pop's cheap Chinese mouse does the same thing, and it doesn't rely on the internet (and, yes, I checked firewall logs).
Which one? Please do share the link or name as well. My MX Master 2 died recently when I tried to replace its switches to make it silent. Right now, I'm using MX Master 3, but I find it less reliable than 2, so I'd love to hear about a budget mouse I can use that's also ergonomic and similar to these mice.
Bluetooth mice are also limited to a 250hz poll rate iirc
I honestly can't tell the difference between 250hz and 8kHz. And I bet most people can't either.
Hopefully you never have to update the firmware on your receiver.
No idea. I usually use Solaar. And I've like 4 receivers laying around. I haven't had any issues with that. The only issue I had in the past was that the keyboard would break connection at times (I also have K860), but I connected it with CPU's Bluetooth connection, I think.
I just got a K400 for $2 so I shouldn't complain too much but it's a bitch trust me. (The guides said to use solaar. They were wrong)
IMO MX Master 3 is the best mouse ever made.
I disagree with that. I like the MX master series, but I found MX Master 3 worse than 2/2S. My wife and two of her friends bought it and all the mice developed a left-click button problem after about 1 year.
In contrast, MX Master 2 (or 2S, I don't remember now) worked for more than 3 years for me. I only had to clean it once to fix a scrolling issue. It finally hit the bucket when I replaced its switches to make the mouse quieter.
Never use the 2/2S I just really like the 3 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I like Keychron mice. They look much nicer and they have comparable models.
Didn’t know about these. The M7 looks nice
Didn't know they have mice, too. Might look into those, since I'm very happy with the keyboard I have from them.
Yeah they make an MX Master clone. And the config software runs in the browser so it actually works on Linux. And they look super nice and "minimalistic", in my opinion.
One of my favorites features on the logitech mouse is the scroll wheel that seamlessly switches between smooth continuous scrolling and stepwise scrolling. Do you know if it has cloned that feature as well?
Yes, it's in the listing images:
https://www.keychron.com/collections/mice-collection/products/keychron-m6-wireless-mouse
Keychron doesn't appear to be US based so that's good... are they UK? Sources disagree.
Based in China, ofc.
But they used to have Unifying Receivers that could handle 16 devices, and I don't think a bad cert would cripple the software. Didn't they stop making those a few years ago.
They stopped, yes, in order to replace them with the abysmal excuse they have now.
In PS/2 days and before, there was no need for a driver. But it was just a pointing device, no fancy anything. Still, though, it was a tank. [And it had a nice lead ball in the middle that you could yeet at your brother, when he was being a wanker]
[Edit]
Forgot to pay one of the few approved companies to say, "yes this software/driver is authentic & safe cause they paid me to say that"
I'm so glad browsers and operating systems have a better root CA process than "whoever pays Netscape"
LOL. So much so that its security is going to be embedded into your locked down closed-source trusted execution environment.
If your Mac application utilizes a Developer ID provisioning profile to take advantage of advanced capabilities such as CloudKit and push notifications, you must ensure your Developer ID provisioning profile is valid in order for installed versions of your application to run.
It's possible they just used an "advanced capability".
My right-out-of-warranty Logitech M590 mouse lost its pairing to its USB-receiver upon booting up Windows after using the mouse in Linux for weeks out-of-warranty. I bought another one, and that too did the same the first time I booted up Windows after the warranty had expired.
Finally I searched the issue, and it’s normal. I had to install a non-default Logitech software in Windows and re-pair the apparently broken mice to their receivers. Both mice work again, except the older one’s left button is acting up a bit.
A non-asshole company would have notified me “Your mouse receiver needs an update that requires re-pairing the connection manually. Do you want to continue the update?”. And why the hell would a mouse receiver need an update when the warranty ends?
Obviously the purpose is to make the mouse appear broken with plausible deniability and bluff the customer into buying a new mouse.
Bizarre. I’ve been using logitech mice for over a decade. Never had that issue, and I have several different models, from regular to gaming.
Same here. But they've all been wired mid-range models. My current ones are on their 7th year. And I don't use the software. I may be too poor and not elite enough to experience these issues.
I’ve got a big range. From the “Pebble” type to the boring M3255 or M705 to the newer G903 and a few more in between I’ve forgotten. Wired and wireless. I’ve got Razers and a few others mixed in. The worst issue I’ve had with any of them is Linux not wanting to play nice with the older wireless dongles and Razer’s absurd software package.
I may be an old-school Luddite for it, but I've never understood the advantage of wireless peripherals beyond aesthetics. I want something slightly heavy that feels good in the hand, and I want to plug it in, have it just start working natively and not have to worry about extra drivers or a battery dying.
It would be one thing if there were a universal dongle that you just left plugged in, but all the ones I've encountered are proprietary and specific to the brand or model if not that specific mouse. So if you lose the thing, you now have basically a paperweight.
I had a Microsoft mouse once that was a good compromise in that it came with an optional USB c cable. It also didn't use a dongle and just operated via Bluetooth. It was heavy AF and had nice haptics on the scroll wheel. But, in true Microsoft fashion it was completely dead after 2 years of heavy daily use.
Agreed. I generally use wired mice, but recently went wireless. Wireless headsets otoh are much better than wired for not getting that cord in the way or tangled up. Downside to wireless isn’t so much the dongle, but the fact that many are going to proprietary batteries. That’s BS because if you can’t get a replacement it makes the device a throwaway.
FWIW the 903 works as a mouse via the dongle or via the USB charging cable, so that’s decent.
The headset stuff I 100% agree with. Unless I'm going to be stationary and listen to music very intentionally. There is a noticeable hit to audio quality over bt (if your files are HQ enough)
Glad I read the writing on the wall and stopped buying Logitech years ago.
There is 0 excuse for a mouse to ever need or use an internet connection. Period.
Read the article. This is a MacOS problem, not a Logitech problem.
The main buttons worked fine, only the specially configured extra buttons didn't work. Those buttons require a configuration program. There's no evidence this program needed an Internet connection.
But MacOS blocks all software that doesn't have an approved certificate. It's basically the same walled garden as phones. Logitech's certificate expired.
It only affected Mac users, and only because of the walled garden.
JFC, it's a fucking mouse. Do they need to ruin everything, like fucking EVERYTHING?!
Maybe, I don't know, we don't need every flippin thing to be internet-connected? Fuckin mental that a cert caused mice, the last thing to need to phone home, to flip shite.
Im still using a MS opitcal mouse from the 90s lol, maybe it's from the early 00's, they used to turn up in hard rubbish a lot I have a couple and they suit me fine
*squeak out
is linux affected by this? am i too autistic to not suffer from this?
edit: i should read the article. shame on me. linux users rejoice
The year is 1998. I am reading an article from the future. I have no mouth and I must scream.
I used to really like their 502, convenient form, programmable buttons and two extra ones with also dps change ones. Then I ended up buying one recently and I swear the click on the left button was very loud like mechanical keyboard loud click. Just left button not the right mind you.
Think my first 502 was when they were newer (closer to 2010?) and not as bad. Bought a Razer one similar, feels so much better from cord (nice braided not stiff) to even just moving it on the pad, probably felt closer to the original 502.
Guess I should probably try out more mice in the future but I'm old and don't like change and I used the 502 mouse for 15 years (with buying a few times). Guess the downgrades slowly piled up and I just noticed finally or got a crappy one. It may have been cause it was wal mart at Xmas but I didn't even open it for 6 months, I thought I was set. I would kill for a completely silent mouse with the same features.