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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm confused...The entire world spent about $55B a year on Biomedical research, with the US employing thousands through the NIH with a $40B/yr budget. Now, the $40B is gone.

What are these scientists going to do in Europe or Canada?, because NONE of those governments of G8 have increased research funding and in Canada, 90% of grant proposals are not funded. So yeah, scientists are moving back to home countries to be cab drivers while governments waste billions on military purchases.

As for the US, 0% of basic research that leads to new drugs was done by Pharma. They cut off the heads of all their pipelines to what was a $T industry.

All this says China may be the place to go if you can do math in your head.

[–] breakfastburrito@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

My father is always watching the French news (tv5 monde) and telling me to move to EU since they are snapping up as many scientists as they can. What he doesn’t understand is they are snapping up PIs who already have made a career. They don’t give a shit about some postdoc/RA/specialist. EU has plenty of bright young people for those roles, and as you said they don’t have the money to fund an army of professional lab rats. I would love to live abroad, seems like a great opportunity, but realistically I have no idea why they’d bother to interview someone who lives in another continent with generic science skills.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago

they are snapping up as many scientists as they can.

And have they increased the research budget to pay for all this research? Nope.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Well, to be fair, each person only has to find one job in order to make their move to another nation.

Also, if they are going to be targeted for other reasons (race, gender, religion, political views) in the longer term, or think they might, moving might be the far more preferable option even if they are initially not working in their field.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 57 points 2 days ago (1 children)

US brain drain effects for the next generation will be brutal.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

What's worse to me is the idea of more and more of the scientists who oppose this regime are now gone, so what kind of scientists are left in the US? It's not just drain, it's likely a hard rightward shift of disciplines within the country. Fascism loves a scientist without morals.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 14 hours ago

Well, US biotech and Pharma hardly ever had morals. Most are just looking to cash out rich.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We’ve already seen this in medical, with Dr Oz being promoted to a leadership position in the government. And now, since Measles has made a comeback, he’s floundering trying to get a pro-vaccine message out, since oh shit, it turns out traditional doctors who actually listened in med school instead of just paying professors off whilst doing bumps in the dorm room were actually right. Who’da thought?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Go back 20 years. Opioids ruined America and the AMA and FDA did fuck all until far too late. Sackler is still a free billionaire. Lots of MDs got rich off opioids.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We started applying after Jan 6th. Once there was no real response holding those leading a violent coup to overthrow the nation, it was time to go. It took years, but away we are.

The GOP has spent decades cancelling my grants and fucking with my career. The lastest round of cancellations this year is just a swansong and a final goodbye. Fuck em, I'll teach engineers in Europe instead. Added bonuses: real healthcare, my kids won't have huge student loan debt, the trains go everywhere, and the food is better.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, I'm barely monolingual in English. If you have any recommendations for expats, I'd love to hear them - especially for someone that only knows English.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

We're mostly monolingual in English too. Berlin is 30% first and second gen immigrants now. The lingua franca is English here. Not all jobs will let you be English only, but there's some out there. Going shopping and stuff? You'll be okay.

Learning the local language should be high on your list anywhere you move to, even if it's another English dialect, eh?

[–] madde@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

UK, Ireland, Luxembourg.

The more niche your field is, the more acceptable English will be anyway everywhere else.

[–] Uranhjort@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You will be absolutely fine speaking only English to start with in the nordics as well, especially if you can land a position in one of the capitals. You will be required to (and absolutely should!) learn the national language if you mean to fully migrate and become a citizen, but I've known people who've lived and worked here for decades who still only have a tenous grasp on Danish.

[–] madde@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah that's why I specified about the niche roles. If you want to work as a postman you will have to be proficient in the local language. If you are highly specialised, especially in a field that is in high demand, people are going to cater to you.

[–] Uranhjort@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

The multinational corporations I've worked with in Copenhagen were English language, from the executive suite to the mail room.

And while it's true you'll need to offer a skill that's in demand, the list currently includes hairdresser, baker and landscape gardener among others, not to mention pretty much all the trades, and none of them requires a diploma.

[–] emigu@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be fair, the Danish people themselves only have a tenuous grasp on Danish

[–] Uranhjort@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Once you master all the business with half twenties it's just a matter of memorising which article randomly goes with every noun, knowing you'll sound crazy if you get it wrong.

Easy peasy, or as they say here, "kamelåså"!

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Do you have any tips for American engineers trying to move over?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago

Metric system.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I'm sure there's many more how to guides out there.

Big one is work, of course. Start applying now. If you score a contract for a long term job you'll be in great shape.

If you can afford to job hunt for a bit, most people with degrees can get a ChanceKarte visa. That'll let you move without a job and search/interview for a year, even work small jobs while you land a full time gig.

Start early on reaching visa processes. They're not hard, just confusing in places.

Sweep up your important docs early. Get your work history documented, ideally any contracts you had for old jobs and letters of recommendation.

Patience matters. Immigration can be slow and opaque. Fortunately it's not expensive for Germany, just paperwork heavy.

Engineering has a good chance for an English speaking job. Perseverance will make it happen if you want it.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

When the Americans that see what's wrong leave, those of us who are resigned to fight will face greater challenges. We are abandoned by these people, regardless of their intentions.

The world needs helpers, not cowards. But I get it... We have only one life to live. I don't resent them, but we feel it, when they go...

I think about Renee and Alex sometimes. I realize they are the best of us. They fought. They stayed. They wanted a better world, and they fought for it.

I don't have a point here, everyone... I just think we should raise a glass people like this tonight.

I won't raise a glass to those that abandon their privilege, though. You have your reward. Good for you, surely... But the rest of us must push on.

Cheers, everyone.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I cannot say there will be pogroms against intellectuals, although some radical movements certainly have had theirs when we look at history. I also cannot say how many of the scientists leaving are also in at-risk groups from a Nat-C government.

I definitely understand people that just want to live their lives just picking up and moving to where they can do that. The people in this article concern those that worked toward something in science, it's not like they are professional activists or poli sci majors.

It's the crazy redcaps that decided to politicize everything to such an extent as to threaten reality-based livelihoods. And so if these people now have a choice of: being completely impoverished thanks to the childish "maga" (baby word) thing and maybe even targeted for violence or imprisonment, or move to a place that actually welcomes the reality-based community? It seems like a fairly obvious choice.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Gross inherited wealth is the societal version of terminal cancer. It is the actual underlying problem that has gone unsolved. Intelligence is not hereditary in humans. No amount of money can replace meritocratic hierarchy at scale. As long as that issue goes unaddressed, this place will crash and burn. Anything beyond an upper middle-class trust for life must be forfeit. That one change eliminates every problem person you know by name.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I feel like all of the ways to actually effectively solve it are just wildly immoral, unpopular, or just too far from cultural norms to really ever happen. We're cooked.

Like an obvious way to deal with nepotism would be simply not allow people to parent children and make children property of the state.

Now, when you're an adult you can earn whatever in the meritocracy and build whatever kind of life you want, marry whomever, and have as many kids as you want. You'll just never know those children.

Problem... solved?

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

that photo looks like it's from the 80s

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That photo looks like it's from a dope new indie band.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

Made me think of the uh, American Apparel style of photography, sans showing as much skin as is (or isn't) legally permissible.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm constantly befuddled as to which decade it even is when it comes to fashion. I keep seeing young girls wearing those shirts that came straight out of the 80s - those big shirts that come off one shoulder. No idea what they are called. I haven't seen those things in since forever - until the past few years.

At the same time, I just saw a gaggle of teens/early 20s kids crossing the road, and one of the girls was wearing a pair of those huge tracksuit pants that I haven't seen since early rave days.

I'm sure there has been fashion in the 00, teens, and now 20s, but most of it seems rather light touch or didn't last long, or spins on stuff from earlier decades...

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

adam ruins everything has a video about how the 2000s made us stop talking about decades and switch to refer to generations instead which caused us to lose the concept of a shared culture basically, and segregated us instead.

we have clear ideas about fashion, music, art and design when we think about the 40s vs 50s or 80s vs 90s for example, but no one really knows wtf the 2000s vs 2010s were about.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ironically, he also did a rather famous talk where he dismantles the idea of generations being anything more than a construct of marketing.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you mean appropriately, right? i don't see irony here.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, sorry, I misread your first sentence there. Yes, appropriately, then. I read it as him influencing people to stop talking about decades and start talking about generations.

I don't know if that really started in the 2000s, though? Maybe it really got adopted by a lot more people, I don't know.

I seem to remember seeing lots and lots spilled ink where self-identified boomers were wringing their hands over what to do about Gen X and their aimlessness (before the Gen X thing was really firmed up, we were called baby busters, slacker generation, twentynothings, MTV generation and probably some other names I cannot remember now. I like Gen X a lot more and the book is actually quite good, even though I think it better describes Generation Jones as filtered through a Canadian than my age group. ).

I remember seeing Gen X writing things about how they had a bleak future (many of us entering the workforce during a recession), that the contract between employee and employer was broken in the 80s, that Gen X was not going to collect Social Security after the boomers took it all, that the idea of working 50 years for a company and being repaid with that loyalty with a good pension and gold watch at the end of it was long over when we were still kids, etc.

This seemed to quickly shift to hearing/reading more Gen Y moaning about the boomers and boomers complaining about Gen Y, probably because both groups having larger numbers than Gen X.

So maybe that's what Adam was pointing out - that it wasn't so much only the chattering classes and marketers adopting these positions, it was also much of the people themselves...I definitely feel that of almost any "generation" that boomers were probably one of the first that were so studied and so regimented and probably had a lot of commonalities that were formative, at least early in life. I seem to remember Timothy Leary - who was of an older generation, but hugely popular with boomers and he learned to cater to them, I think - commenting on that to some extent. He might have even mentioned the Dr. Spock thing.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

i think you're misunderstanding the video from the few sentences in which I tried to give the main point. he doesn't say generations were invented in the 2000s.

he's saying in the previous millennium we used to have definitive ideas about decades that were distinct and memorable: we know what most people listened to, what they wore, and in the age of TV, what they watched. every decade had its own characteristics and it applied to almost everyone. when I say picture a 30 year old in the 70s, you can picture what they look like: what they wear, their hairdo and facial hair, even glasses, and the colors of their clothes.

for some reason the 90s is the last decade to have this. there was a lot of talk about the millennium come 2000s but not much about the 00s. maybe it was awkward, maybe something changed but we don't have 00s, 10s and 20s referred to as decades the same way 1920s or 1980s are. there's no iconic, clear fashion that belongs to the 10s. instead the media started referring to "gen z fashion", "gen alpha fashion" or whatever. which is not really how fashion works. in the 80s, pretty much everyone had big hair and shoulder pads, across generations. now it's segmented.

not only that, but now there's no TV as there was back then. you pick your streaming service and binge watch a show instead of collectively watching a show every week. there's nothing like Seinfeld or MASH anymore. basically there's no shared cultures and experiences anymore.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Oh yeah, 100% agreed. I bet a lot of that change has to do with the effect of narrowcasting and more p2p communication that arose in the 90s but was not really broadly distributed to everyone until late 90s/mid 00s.

I think things were much more monolithic in prior times. As an example, I'd hear my mother (who was a boomer) complain about fashion in her day. She said there was a period of time where it was nearly impossible - at least as a woman - to find pants that were not bellbottoms (and she loathed bellbottoms, LOL). I got hand-me-downs from older kids and not a few of them were bellbottoms, and I also thought were some of the dumbest things going, especially when I was trying to learn to ride a bike...my general lack of interest in/disdain for mainstream culture, most especially fashion, probably got its start with that, LOL.

People looking for niche culture things really had to work at it (and have at least some amount of privilege in the form of disposable income) and the geographical thing really mattered when it came to "finding the others" back then. So most people probably tended to fall into whatever the mainstream culture was serving up.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Dude. This is what an old person would say. Next, fashion criticisms?

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

i am an old person

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You should see the mix of trends on college campuses rn. Midriff shirts and big pants are somehow back.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It’s so weird to me. I recently “gave up” and started wearing comfy clothes like flannels, oversized sweaters, and mom jeans, then my 19 year old coworker told me I looked so cool and I legitimately thought she was joking at first.